>> yes. >> reporter: except bob moses? >> except bob moses. n the stand, walker played bob's interviews with police. >> what did you do from the time you woke up to -- >> i mean, i probably took the dog for a walk. >> reporter: remember, bob said he'd been at home most of the day and into the evening. but on the stand, bob's housemates all said they couldn't vouch for him. >> do you ever remember seeing bob moses in the house? >> i would say no. i was rarely in the house. >> so on january 13th, you don't remember -- >> i don't remember seeing him at all. >> reporter: the prosecutor said bob's whereabouts couldn't be confirmed until he appeared on that restaurant video at 7:00 p.m. the texas ranger told the jury anna was killed an hour earlier. >> i knew she had left work, her office around 5:00. >> reporter: he mapped out her final trip using videos from the security cameras on her route, including that video from a neighbor's camera right near anna's home. >> she was captured one more time as she was traveling north on charleston. >> reporter:

my -- bob moses -- i give speeches occasionally with bob moses.ry one of them he says i wish every candidate, every debate would begin simply berecapturing the astonishing breath taking audacity and optimism of our form of government and every citizen's responsibility simply by reciting the first sentence in the constitution. it's very easy. but when you think that's piled up there from 1787, it's pretty breath taking. we the people of the united states, in order the form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquillity, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity do ordain and establish this constitution for the united states of america. that's an optimism that falls on every citizen. and nobody lived up to it better than the movement people in the civil rights era, including jesse, and many, many other heroes who are here tonight. to me, as a white southerner, who studied this movement now for 35 years, i think there is no greater miracle than

king, but also bob moses. the main organizer from sncc. am, i'm a sneak person but i'm giving a top now as editor of martin luther king's papers. i gave this top, and the conclusion of it was that the movement would have happened even if monolith or king had not been born. and i firmly believe that. i looked out and here is greta scott king. she's kind of frowning. i'm kind of thinking maybe i'm not gonna be lasting long in this job. what's that did it forced me to also rethink my own attitudes. every time i applied for grants to do the king papers, i had to say why is this important? why is it important if the movement would've happened even if king had never been born, why is it important? what's it can provide to the movement? so one way of understanding the last 30 years of my life, is answering that question. i have to answer that question every day, every year and each year i hope my answer becomes more sophisticated. that i understand that there was something essential, and what i think was essential was that he was a visionary. the

king, but also bob moses, the main organizer from sncc. here i am, i am a sncc person giving a talk as the editor of martin luther king's papers. i gave this talk, and the conclusion of it was that the movement would have happened even if he had not been born. i certainly believe that. i looked out, and here is coretta scott king kind of frowning. i think maybe i'm not going to be lasting long in this job. [laughter] mr. carson: it forced me to rethink my own attitude. every time i applied for a grant to do the king papers, i had to say, why is this important? why is it important? if king had never been born, why is it important? what did he provide to the movement? one way of understanding the last 30 years of my life is answering that question. i have to answer that question every day, every year. each year, i hope my answer becomes more sophisticated, that i understand that there was something essential. what i think was essential is that he was a visionary. there were a lot of people who were good at mobilizing people. there were organ

there were people like bob moses who were essential to the movement.re were people who were -- you know, even in montgomery. is joanne roibz less important in terms of mobilizing that than martin luther king? i think she's more important. i think that the montgomery bus boycott -- martin luther king didn't become the leader of it until the afternoon of the first day of the boycott, which was 100% successful, just about. how did that happen? how did you have a successful boycott without martin luther king? because he doesn't -- he is selected to lead -- isn't it wonderful, as a leader, that someone says, we've already got a successful movement going. we just want you to keep it going. we want you it to make to it the second day, the third day. on the one hand it fits my view, this bottom-up view of movement. but if you ask yourself, you get to the 200th day of the boycott, and things aren't changing, who is going to provide the inspiration about what are the visionary goals? because if you think about it, most movements don't make sense. how can you hav

you bring all the voices, that's what the executive director with the great voices, bob moses and a waveers. ella baker was a democratic activist, but she believed in the centrality of grassroot leadership. why? because she believed fundamentally in the capacities and abilities of those stone calls everyday people, of those james cleveland call ordinary people. and as you accent their ability and their capacity, you don't have to have just one leader representing all black people and all brown people usually to be co-opted or killed. once you co-opt them or murder them, lo and behold depression sets in, disorientation sets in, and the possibility of those capacities and abilities of ordinary people are overlooked. ella baker is someone who we have to catch up with. she's ahead of us. and she died of course working closely with my precious puerto rican brothers and sisters in the independence movement and oscar lopez still in jail this very moment. why? because she was cosmopolitan. she was international. it was always at a grassroot%;( level. there's nothing wrong if people think you're