. >> someone with bob mueller's integrity will step aside and should. >> why take aim at robert mueller now? governor chris christie is here to explain. >>> plus, pointing fingers. amid new revelations in the russia investigation, the trump administration blames a familiar foe. >> if any collusion took place, it would be between the dnc and the clintons. >> they made up the whole russia hoax. >> what's the strategy behind these counterattacks? we'll talk with senator angus king of the intelligence committee in minutes. >>> hello. i'm jake tapper in washington, where the state of our union is watching and waiting. in less than 24 hours, the first person could be taken into custody in the russia investigation. on friday, a washington grand jury approved the first charges in the probe into possible collusion with russia by the trump team, led by special counsel, robert mueller. while the charges right now are still sealed, sources say anyone charged could be taken into custody as early as monday. we do not know at this point who might be facing charges or for what. mueller has issued grand

it's much easier than firing bob mueller. and second, they interview papadopoulos in january and february of 2017. three weeks later the president fires jim comey. he knew jim comey was on his tail. >> a whole lot of people matching up a whole lot of calendars today. >>> when we come back, i'll discuss the major turn of events with a member of the house intel committee. this this this this is my body of proof. proof of less joint pain and clearer skin. this is my body of proof that i can take on psoriatic arthritis with humira. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to both joint and skin symptoms. it's proven to help relieve pain, stop further joint damage, and clear skin in many adults. humira is the #1 prescribed biologic for psoriatic arthritis. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious alle

if the president were to fire bob mueller. here is that. >> i don't see how the president could fire robert mueller without impeachment proceedings starting immediately in the house of representatives. i can't see how congress would tolerate that. >> what do you think? do you think if the president were to do that, that would start impeachment proceedings? >> it should. it would be an outrage, but will the republican congress finally stand up for the country and not their own special interests? i don't know. i hope they do. i saw the congress of the united states, everybody was pooh-poohing the congress during the nixon time. >> mmm-hmm. >> but the congress people rose up and did the right thing. even republican members of the -- of the house of representatives and house judiciary committee stood up and voted for the impeachment of richard nixon because they put country above party. in the end, that's what patriotism is about, to preserve our democratic system. if people aren't willing to do that because they put the party ahea

he'll go after bob mueller much harder.y even try to fire bob mueller, provoking a constitutional crisis. i don't think the president being chagrinned in any way. even though as you noted, bob mueller has proven his investigation has borne the fruit of a criminal indictment and that could also put the squeeze on others to testify against people higher in the chain of command. >> so matt miller, for the last word here, there's nothing actionable that can come from -- by dint of the president's words now that this has entered perhaps a different phase? >> there's nothing actually different in the president's words, but he can remove bob mueller if he wants it, it's complicated in the way that he can do it but he can do it. the important bills to look at are the ones introduced in the senate by senators like chris coons of delaware to try to protect bob mueller, codify his independence. if the president starts lashing out, whether you see any republicans get behind those bills and try to move them forward. >> we may also be ta

paul manafort and mike flynn, two people bob mueller is putting great pressure under. they have no interest to talk and you presume they'd take the fifth amendment but being forced to face down the barrel of criminal charges and a long jail sentence has a way of changing people's minds. that's a tool that mueller has to get to the bottom of what actually happened. those congressional committees just don't have. at the end of this, it's always been and continues to be bob mueller that's going to tell us what really happened in the course of the campaign. and not just in the course of the campaign but also to answer this obstruction of justice question which we know he's looking into. >> let's leave the campaign behind for a minute and talk a little bit more about how obstruction of justice might have taken place after inauguration and who might be involved in that. we know bob mueller sent over a list of five or six white house aides to whom he wishes to speak. are all of those aides going to be forced to speak under threat of, if they don't tell the truth they will per

at optum, we're partnering across the health system to tackle its biggest challenges. >>> bob muellerfirst indictments in the russia probe, one former trump campaign adviser pleading guilty to lying about russia. mueller interviewing white house staff members and president won't try to influence any charges mueller files. >> he would be sad for them as a friend and former colleague, if process results in punishment or indictments, but to the extent that happens, that's beyond his control and obviously he's not trying to influence that in any way. >> joining me former assistant fbi director, appointed by mueller and ned price from cia back with me. in investigation like this which is rolling. indictments don't signal the end, how does what happened today advance the trail mueller is on? >> i think in two big ways, one, i can't help but be impressed by the pace at which they conducted the manafort/gates part of this investigation. i'm on record as saying thi thi this work of mueller will take years. made more complex by international activity, banking, e-mail transactions, witnesses ove

>> bob mueller has a big job on his hands, doesn't he? frank and renato, gentlemen, thank you so much for your expertise there. coming up next here, a member of the house intelligence committee, congresswoman jackie spear will join me live with her reaction to these charges revealed today and how the new details may impact her congressional investigation. stay with us. how long do you think we'll keep -- oooooohhh! you stopped! you're gonna leave me back here at year 9? how did this happen? it turned out, a lot of people fell short, of even the average length of retirement. we have to think about not when we expect to live to, but when we could live to. let's plan for income that lasts all our years in retirement. prudential. bring your challenges. won't replace the full value of your totaled new car. the guy says you picked the wrong insurance plan. no, i picked the wrong insurance company. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, you won't have to worry about replacing your car because you'll get the full value back including depreciat

report from politico says the president's legal team is thinking about offering special counsel bob muellerng with mr. trump. a senior white house official told politico if mueller's team does not request an interview with the president by thanksgiving, his lawyers may move forward with the invitation, but the president's personal lawyer, john dowd, is calling that officials' claim totally false. >>> let's bring in darren samuelson, the reporter who broke this story and barbara mcquaide, former u.s. attorney in michigan and an msnbc contributor. with a welcome to you both, darren, i want to reach out about your source. were you told about why the president's lawyers may want to, as you wrote in your piece, force the issue by volunteering trump's time? >> well, the questioning is really inevitable. if mueller wants to talk to president trump, he's going to be able to make that happen. whether it happens any time soon or next year is really the big question. mueller probably wants to wait until he's talked to everybody else in this investigation and sort of leave the biggest fish for last. he

that shows that bob mueller is acting responsibly. rp walk that is you see, sometimes you are not supposed to do that. mueller is not that kind of prosecutor and not that kind of fbi director. he's handling this quietly and carefully and playing it by the book. i think they are both waiting in the courthouse waiting for their appearance. >> they don't have to be in court for another three hours. >> they are waiting in a room somewhere probably with their counsel. waiting for their first court appearance. >> what are the conversations many the room? are they in a rom togethom toge? >> they are probably talking about bail. when they come in to enter the plea, the first question that becomes relevant is, are they held without bail or allowed to make bail? you would expect in a case like this, these two people aren't flight risks, they would be allowed to make bail. >> carol? >> well, you raised, i think, a key point. what is it that george papadopolous knows and who is that campaign supervisor? what were the interactions? >> i'm looking a

whether or not he believes that mueller -- or what would happen if the president tried to fire bob mueller or, you know, the "wall street journal" has been calling on mueller to step aside. and christie said, look, i think it's very important that he continues this investigation very carefully. and christie was saying that from the perspective of somebody who has been, at least recently, supportive of the president, was very involved in his, you know, transition and campaign team during the general election. i think that that also is something that republicans on capitol hill privately have their fingers crossed. i mean, this is something that, you know, they all actually do want a resolution to this. you have to remember, this is in the context of the broader kind of civil war within the party. there are many republicans and democrats who believe that what russia did in the last election is something that's a fundamental threat to the u.s. security and that should be put above partisanship. marco rubio's been very public about this. he, of course, a republican. but the way that the presid

i think he may even try to fire bob mueller, provoking a constitutional crisis. i don't see the president being sha grind in any way even though as you netted bob mueller has now proven his investigation has borne the fruit of a criminal indictment and that could also put the squeeze on others to testify against people higher in the chain of command. >> so matt miller, just for the last word here, there's nothing actionable that can come from by din of the president's words now that this has entered perhaps a different phase. >> there's nothing actionable that can come from the president's words, about it he can remove bob mueller if et cetera to. it's complicated the way he can do it, but he can do it. i think if you want to look for action from the hill in the come days, the important bills to look at are the ones that have been introduced in the senate like senator chris coons from delaware that try to protect him, codify his independence. if the president does react to these indictments and starts lashing out, whether you see any republicans get behind those

take a look at bob mueller's standpoint. we kind of get a daily barrage of this afternoon that happened. take a step back and look at the president's son had a meeting the a russian lawyer, pretext of which was to receive information about how the russian government wanted to help elect the government -- present. they were overheard on intercept either talking with russian intelligence officials or intermediaries. the president's national security adviser was overheard on intercept talking with the russian ambassador. we don't know exactly about what justicegh department of that it was inappropriate and warned the white house. the president himself in a public storm statement can be best described as being extremely solicitous of the russian government. so if you ask, why is bob mueller moving so quickly and this is not like a white color investigation but as a criminal enterprise and taking it like a drug trafficking enterprise, this is in some ways the most important investigation the department of justice has ever conduct

bob mueller will have a lot to say about there.vestigation is to find out did trump who sold his white elephant house in florida to a russian for an exorbitant amount of money, was that participation in laundering money? if that's the case, that's clearly an emolument. he got some money. the russian got some money. it was illegal. i think mueller will find out all this stuff. this case will not go away based on what this particular judge decides. it will come back again and again and again. >> well, governor, you're not a lawyer but you are a former public official. i'll ask you the plain english common sense question. when this government, the trump administration says it is not logical to think that people would try the curry favor by throwing money at his businesses, does that fast he test for you as someone who ran in state government and you had lobbyists and other people trying to get to you? >> well, the scale of trump's malfeasance is extraordinary. and the answer is this has been going on for a very long time. jared will b

go like a pro. >>> breaking news -- in bob mueller's russia investigation the special counsel's team today interviewed former chief of staff reince priebus. brand into our newsroom, priebus telling us he was voluntarily interviewed by mueller's team and happy to answer the questions. i am joined by people that covered the russia inquiry. ronaldo, what does reince priebus know and what does mueller want to know from him? >> wow. quite a lot. i suspect that was a very interesting interview for mueller's team. and i think the first subject that comes to mind for me is priebus' involvement in the firing of james comey. so what we have heard from various news reports, is that the president spoke with jared kushner, ivanka trump and priebus about his concerns with james comey, came up with his rational for firing comey and had stephen miller dictate a letter, which we know was later rejected by white house counsel don mcgan and the rhetorics, et cetera, that were made. there was a whole drama surrounding that later that priebus was also involved in, so that is definitely a top subject. anot

bob mueller is a former republican fbi director.f they got a grand jury, a jury of peers to move forward on this, if they got it through a judge, we're moving away from the political fights where everyone can see it the way they want and into a much more legal process where there are rules of evidence, where facts are established. that's probably, if there are indictments coming down, bad news for the people on the other side of that. bob mueller is known to be a careful prosecutor >> he means business. ari melber, thanks so much. you're going to have a busy day ahead. >> i think it's going to be a busy couple of days. >> i think so. thanks. you can watch ari on "the beat" week days at 6:00 eastern. >>> the house passes a budget paving the way for trump's tax plan, but how will the president's plan asktd you? st p. but on the inside, i feel chronic, widespread pain. fibromyalgia may be invisible to others, but my pain is real.f? fibromyalgia is thought to be caused by overactive nerves. lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. i'm g

what congress's role has been in the russia probe, how important is it to the ultimate work of bob mueller>> i think we're at a moment when the integrity of the entire political process is at stake. so what congress needs to do is make sure they don't get in mueller's way. he's the one person in many respects, he and his team, moving with a certain level of integrity and who can -- who are in a unique position where they don't have to respond to certain kinds of political pressure. congress should move to protect the integrity of this investigation. certainly they can do their own investigation absolutely, but there's a real problem here because, frankly, trump's team and trump himself engage in this periodic gaslighting of the american public. they keep on engaging in these dog-and-pony shows designed to distract us from what's going on. i think that's dangerous because now that we're getting real evidence that there are real charges that will be brought in the collusion scandal, then the trump campaign is saying no, no, no, it's clinton who engaged in collusion. that's absolutely ludicro

bob mueller hand hit that wall. and for more on this, i turned to a member of the foreign relations committee who joins me on "the beat." i'll read this to you in full. since the time you sbukd our washington studio, this news broke. let me read this to you. investigators from robert mueller's office traveled to london recently to interview christopher steele. that dossier author. your reaction? >> i think this is important news that shows the special counsel is not messing around. he is tracking down all the leads. and based on various reports, it is clear at least some, or perhaps many parts of the dossier are in fact true. so i am very pleased that special counsel mueller had a chance, at least his investigators, to interview christopher steele. >> you say reports suggesting it is partly true, at least. your view of what this says about the mueller investigation view of the potential veracity and why did they go to london? why didn't they get steele on come to the town you're in? >> mr. steele probably didn't wan

this is the first move from bob mueller. we have a lot more to learn. >> sandra: to go back to his criticism of the probe itself. the best way to think about robert mueller is a compliment to nunes. he earned hard evidence and domestic spying on trump campaign officials. where is that in this probe? >> we may see some of it. reports that bob mueller is considering looking at tony podesta who yesterday announced he was stepping down from his firm. so it may get to that point. there is so much that we don't know at this point about what bob mueller has, what he is up to. the fact that he indicted this george papadopoulos who nobody was talking about. the arrest came a long time ago. i think it suggests people making predictions about what we know based on the very little information we've seen publicly do so at some peril. >> sandra: let's talk about papadopoulos. we know he has been charged and he willfully and fully cooperating with the feds. brit hume on special report said it's not a good day when your former campaign char

who might bob mueller target next.out foreign policy. when he did finally name his advisers, one of them was a man now charged with lying to the fbi. we'll show you more of what the future president said in march of 2016. first, bill karins with a check on the forecast today. >>> the nice halloween, especially after we had a huge windstorm. at one point, million people without power. that number dipped significantly down. 100,000, 200,000. windstorm in northern canada. dragged down from very cold halloween air. 16 right now in fargo. only 15 in rapid city. of course the cold air over the warm great lakes caused snow and rain showers. numerous areas. umbrella weather, especially around the buffalo area southward: so the other story if you're going to be out late today, east texas, houston area. dallas even included. you koumtd have showers 6:00 p.m. not going to be a complete washout. showers and storms. all the way back to dallas. and then late tonight to tomorrow. bring this rain mess into areas of louisiana. east tex

that person who's saying that doesn't know bob mueller. hasn't worked for bob mueller.ssentially accusing bob mueller of deliberately committing a criminal violation by leaking the existence of a grand jury indictment is really misguided. so i'm telling you as someone who's worked for bob mueller, he's not a happy camper right now. he's not pleased that this has been released. >> so how did it get leaked then? didn't it have to be somebody on the team? perhaps not with his approval. >> right. so with 25 years of fbi experience, i can tell you we've seen leaks occur out of grand juries from the actual grand jury members, from court clerks, from fbi agents, from reporters who work fbi agents as sources, administrative help, marshals who protect the grand jury room, there's any host of ways this could have happened. but let's focus on what we do know. there's going to be ultimately an arrest here. and i can tell you based on history that whoever is being charged is under surveillance right now by an fbi surveillance team, even if there's been negotiations with his defense

nbc news reported that bob mueller's team had traveled to interview christopher steele. steele is the former british intelligence officer who compiled the dossier. the dossier which contained some salacious material also contained unsubstantiated examples of possible collusion between donald trump's campaign and russia. we have learned in recent days that multiple investigations are working to corroborate some of the dossier's contents. this afternoon, nbc's ken delanian reported more, that steele is also in talks with the senate intelligence committee to meet with them and to assist them in their investigation into potential collusion between trump's campaign and russia. ken will join us in a couple minutes. with steele availing himself to mueller and to the senate intelligence committee, it becomes more likely that the contents of his original report will be further investigated and potentially some of them confirmed. for a glimpse into how that might make the president feel, here's a look at his first public reaction to the dossier. >> i saw the information. i read th

this indictment. >> correct. >> when you look at this indictment the back page, 31 pages, you have bob muellerueller, special counsel department of justice. that's the first thing we have seen. this is the first paper we have seen out of this investigation to all of us. and then this true bill blacked out part redacted is the anonymous foreperson of the injury, as pete williams is reporting, this began on friday. and this will remain blacked out. and everything that happens inside the grand jury box will, if this runs right, remain blacked out. because that is redacted and the black box. in this case, literally a black box. we know mueller and everything has to go to the citizens. it says something great about the constitutional system. robert mueller is very powerful. you don't want to be on the wrong side of him. he has to go through these citizens, anonymous citizens, a jury of the peers and a grand jury picked throughout the washington area to vet these charges. >> can you believe how their lives have changed in the last six months? 12 ordinary citizens who happened to get a grand jury sum

jay was out this morning saying the president is denying firing bob mueller. here's what he said. >> the president has not indicated to me or anyone else that i work with that he has any intent on terminating robert mueller. and the way it would work is, you can only terminate a special counsel for cause. and we just don't see any basis for cause. >> what does that mean? >> well, what it means is that the president in the white house acknowledged that the president can't fire mueller, but he needs a legitimate reason to do it. >> what would that be? >> well, one possibility could be if he legitimately felt that mueller was exceeding his authority. that the justice department granted that. of course, we all know that the authority he has is fairly broad. >> pretty wide, right? >> pretty wide. that will be a challenge for the white house, but that certainly would be a basis. if he also felt that mueller had engaged in some conduct, that would provide a reason. i don't think we have seen anything like that yet, but those are the types of reasons to support the ter

they have taken a little bit of a back row compared to what bob mueller is doing. there was a role from them to play. don't prematurely end this because you think it's just a witch hunt, this is a serious issue across the political spectrum. come up with some recommendations. >> harris: at this level. multiple investigations, spending so much money and we are going to get that price tag eventually because that will become public knowledge. >> marie: we had dozens of congressional investigations into benghazi, clinton's emails, everything under the sun that hillary clinton ever did have the state department. i'm not saying those were all wrong to be undertaken the congressional investigations have been all the time for every reason. we have two go, only to go into russian interfering in our election gimmick that doesn't seem high of a bar. >> katie: everyone is asking what can be done and actually state run elections and if you look at the state level, they are the ones who are doing things to prevent this from happening in any kind of interference from a local leve

what do you think might the effect of that be were the president to fire bob mueller?w, we saw what happened when richard nixon engaged in the saturday night massacre in the hope that somehow that might stem the investigation into watergate. that didn't happen. it -- it actually created even greater momentum in that investigation. so i think if the president were to make any effort to go after bob mueller, any effort like that would be viewed as indicating that the president really does have something to hide and probably would result in an even more vigorous investigation of just exactly what was involved here. >> former cia director hand white house chief of staff, leemtia, always a pleasure to have you on the show, sir. thank you. >> good to be with you. >>> how did we get here? we'll connect the dots that led to two huge indictments and a guilty plea in the mueller probe. stay with us. (avo) when you have type 2 diabetes, you manage your a1c, but you also have a higher risk of heart attack or stroke. non-insulin victoza® lowers a1c, and now reduces cardiovascular r

and we still don't know what's happening, but i suspect bob mueller very careful guy, mueller is not going to swing for the fences. he's going to -- in baseball words he's going for a single, and he's going to get it. >> one of the challenges we have to remember and i agree with harold on this, the mueller investigation does have some boundaries on time. so he -- >> right. >> normal -- >> only point i make. >> a normal investigation, you know, two, three years long in a white collar case or something like this, he's really got a very short time to advance the ball on this case. so i would not be surprised like harold said if he is making deliberate steps to show progress. >> from what mika and i heard yesterday, john, this is going to get close to the president, an indictment will get close to the president based on all the reporting we did yesterday. it may not be today, but it's getting close to the president. >> yeah. >> and one of the great questions and the last nine months, ten months show us that i think there is a lot of reason to worry, is how does the president politically

so, it will depend on the negotiations, but i think that is a logical step in bob mueller's eventuallyompleting his investigation. >> do you believe that bob mueller has, or will see the president's tax returns? >> that, i don't know. it would be a logical step, but it really depends always on the evidence that you have, and then your assessment of the evidence with your able team, not only of lawyers, but of analysts. and my experience in whitewater, we really depended on superb financial analysts from both the fbi and the irs. these are professional people. they're not motivated by partisan politics. they're simply trying -- whatever their politics are, they leave that and the way to work, i have every confidence that bob mueller will see to it that politics are left at the door. bob happens to be a republican. but he is a fact and law person. and i think that's what we're going to get. we're going to get an ounce assessment of the facts. >> a legal hypothesis, but one that you had to deal with, can a sitting u.s. president be indicted? >> the justice department has an informal polic

if paul manafort has anything on president trump you can expect that bob mueller will be putting the pressure on very strongly to bring that information out. manafort has pleaded not guilty in court. rick gates has done the same thing. here?do things go from perhaps we will hear from attorneys. where in terms of process do we go now? >> the special prosecutor continues his work. they made it quite clear this has no affect on the congressional investigation. one of the key things is george papadopoulos bullis cooperation with the indictment. these are not necessarily finite. could find out new information and have further of them or others. it will be interesting to see whether or not there are more charges brought forward to these individuals are new ones. that's the process. sanders sayingy he expects miller's probe to continue very soon. is wishful thinking given how much it seems to be expanding. >> definitely. she did not provide any information about why she going tothe probe is be wrapping up soon. the white house has sort of herod this line for summer months saying this is jus

judge jeanine: bob mueller is trying to find out desperately whether or not donald trump after one year congress has found not one iota of evidence. mueller is trying to figure out whether or not there was any connection between russia and trump. he was investigating, he knew everything that was going on with russia. should he be investigating donald trump? >> and he should be investigating the clinton foundation and bill and hillary. all of them. judge jeanine: i have got to take it back. a lot happening right now. kellyanne conway still ahead. we'll listen live to the former presidents. we'll hear from president trump on tape. live coverage on "justice." when only the best will do... tempur-pedic delivers. only tempur material precisely conforms to your weight, shape and temperature. so you'll sleep deeply and wake up feeling like a champion. find an exclusive retailer at tempurpedic.com judge jeanine: live on "justice" with continuing coverage of deep in the heart live from college station, texas. former presidents clinton, carter, obama and george w. bush. let's listen in. >> the's

judge jeanine: bob mueller is trying to find out desperately whether or not donald trump after one year congress has found not one iota of evidence. mueller is trying to figure out whether or not there was any connection between russia and trump. he was investigating, he knew everything that was going on with russia. should he be investigating donald trump? >> and he should be investigating the clinton foundation and bill and hillary. all of them. judge jeanine: i have got to take it back. a lot happening right now. kellyanne conway still ahead. we'll listen live to the former presidents. we'll hear from president trump on tape. live coverage on "justice." ♪ approaching medicare eligibility? you may think you can put off checking out your medicare options until you're sixty-five, but now is a good time to get the ball rolling. keep in mind, medicare only covers about eighty percent of part b medical costs. the rest is up to you. that's where aarp medicare supplement insurance plans insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company come in. like all standardized medicare supplement insurance

a theory bob mueller is making this up as it goes along, random. another theory closer to what we know about bob mueller. everything has a thought-out strategy. he could have legally released this early early or held it to later. he made a decision to basically offer up in concert these two things together, communicating through what he believes to be facts. again, manafort and -- and -- i'm blanking. >> gates. >> and gates. manafort and gates are denying this and presumed innocent. he says these factsz show, a., campaign, people's use of mrn and b. separate problem, caught, that relates to how russians offering dirt on clinton were dealt with by the trump campaign. obviously, released this in an explosive way in one day showing his work isn't done and he's pursuing both avenues. >> ari, following it all day. work's not done for you. we'll let you prep to your show in an hour from now. thanks for stopping by. let's bring in ken delanian and kristen welker. seemed the main name is paul manafort. reporting he was likely to be indicted. the campaign c

believe that bob mueller has or will see the president's tax returns? >> that, i don't know. it would be a logical step, but it really depends always on the evidence that you have and then your assessment of the evidence with your able team not only of lawyers, but if analysts. and my experience, in whitewater, we depended on superb financial analysts from both the fbi and the irs, these are professional people, they are not motivated by partisan politics, they're simply trying -- whatever their politics are, they leave that, the way it's to work and i have every confidence that bob mueller will see to it, that politics are left at the door. bob happens to be a republican. he's a fact-and-law person. and think that's what we're going to get, an honest assessment of the facts. >> a legal hypothetical, one that you had to deal with can a sitting u.s. president be indicted? >> the justice department has an informal policy that the president, the sitting president cannot. that is not embodied in any regulation of the like. it is an understanding. there have

and in some sorts that's testament to bob mueller's team and the way they're operating. plooes arrested or pleas guilty to lying. what we did when he was first involved with the fbi is try to be protective of others. so, i think that this guilty plea to lying has to tell anybody else who has or is going to be interviewed, you better think long and hard about what you're going to say to mueller. you can't protect anyone but yourself, because if you do lie in an effort to protect somebody, a mistaken effort to protect somebody you're going to end up with a thousand and one lying count against you, it's a five-year felony and easily proved. >> laurie you agree but you're big thing is whether george lab wearing a wire for months. >> absolutely. proactive to me means he was actively trying to have the discussions with people, to in some ways make mueller's team aware of what had happened over the months prior to that. so being proactive there are a lot of people he could have had conversations with. remember, washington, d.c. is one of their one party jurisdiction. you can ac

on bob mueller, lots of pressure on bob mueller, lots of flak from the republican side about hillaryjournal saying the best thing he can do is probably stand aside, resigned to prevent further political turmoil over his convict of interest, the suggestion that some on his team had been donors to the democrats. did you get a sense today from sarah sanders that maybe bob mueller's position is a lot safer than it was la st position is a lot safer than it was last week? there are two camps in the white house, from my understanding of people i have spoken to. one camp that has tried to put pressure on the president of fire bob mueller, another that has said this would look terribly bad. i think today, after these indictments and after we had papadopoulos pleading guilty, it would look even worse if the president might turn around and fire bob mueller. that's what you had sarah huckabee sound is coming out and pouring cold water on that idea. this investigation will continue. the other interesting thing she said in a press conference was that their understanding in the white house is that

or member of bob mueller's team. did you find that surprise sng and do you expect that's something that will change? >> that was a very interesting exchange. he was under questioning by senator patrick leahy. first he paused and was very awkward and didn't want to answer and finally says, no, i've not been questioned about three topics that senator leahy asked him about, russian interference and comey and so forth. but then later senator coons asked him about other conversations he may have had with mueller. and he suddenly says he's not going to answer at all. suggesting that there have been other conversations. and i wonder if what that means is perhaps he's had conversations with mueller's office about being interviewed and the interview just hasn't happened yet, that's my speculation. but that would be one way to square the circle of why he got squirrely at the end there about some conversations with mueller even if he hasn't been interviewed yet. >> john, also we found out that sean spicer, former press secretar

. >> rose: there has been much talk about bob mueller's team about bob mueller's integrity.ork with hims achieve of staff. you know the team he has assembled. how would you characterize them? >> i would just say starting at the top, that that the first word that comes to mind with former director bob mueller is integrity. this is someone from when he volunteered to sign up as a marine to go to vietnam, through his long service as a prosecutor, through multiple administrations, three different u.s. attorneys offices, high ranking role ntion multiple administrations including head of the criminal division and lastly as the director of the fbi, has earned the respect of everyone that has worked with him on both sides of the aisle. and has always been the ultimate nonpartisan, hard-charging investigator. >> rose: and what would you say the people he has chosen to be his principal attorneys in this. >> he has picked a team in the same mold. andym make no mistake, nothings going to happen at the end of the day on this team without bob meulter asking hard questions and deciding th

bob mueller is six steps ahead of this president. we saw that today with the

think at this point it becomes much harder for the president to entertain any negotiate of firing bob mueller. >> scott?

so he does believe that the president should if after bob mueller in appear attempt to, you know, simply throw this all up in the air here. so there is an internal discussion. so far the president has not for abhiel gone after the special counsel here. we'll see if he does in the coming days. anderson, all of this, of course, a major distraction as this week was supposed to be the time to talk about the tax reform plan. and of course he's leaving friday for a foreign trip as well here. but this, of course, so front and center tonight. >> it's fascinating that the president was actually watching tv for hours and didn't go to work until did about 12 or 1230. so the papadopoulos that came as a surprise. >> it did. we were told by several people that he was not expecting this and of course most people around washington weren't expecting this. he had pleaded guilty more than a month ago and this was something that was sealed and kept confidential here. no one pz who he spoke to as he was wearing a wire. if anyone had a conversation with him i can imagine they're rethinking what they said to h

on federal hardware admitted to doing so to trigger the creation of the special counsel, who was bob mueller who is his buddy. and what was the mission of the special counsel? to investigate russian undermining of our presidential election in relation to the trump campaign. and what do we find out this morning? paul map for the is charged with not disclosing his foreign bank account. >> sean: 2006 to '14. >> right. 11 years ago. that's how far they have to dig. and not registering adequately as a representative of foreign

details involving trump's attempts to do business and are being used in the russia investigation by bob muellereven some of it being substantiated by the senate investigation. but the dossier itself is really not all that mueller has to work off of, correct? >> yeah, that's right. and, look, it doesn't really matter whether everything in the dossier is true or not. the fbi gets its information from all kinds of different sources. they get anonymous tips, people with axes to grind. members of congress have been indicted over things that started in opposition research. so, it doesn't really matter who paid for the dossier for purposes of the department of justice's investigation. but as you said, that's not the only thing that led to this investigation. we know that on a number of occasions u.s. intelligence sources overheard people from the trump campaign. we now believe to be paul manafort, mike flynn, maybe others talking with russian intelligence sources or people connected to russian intelligence during the campaign itself. that didn't come from the dossier. there were a number of concerning

mueller. we called him bob the boss. if it were a really important decision, next up was the deputy attorney general and finally, if writ a decision about whether to bring charges against a very high profile person, a quick meeting with the attorney general to tell her what we were thinking. the idea that anyone would go to the president of the united states never occurred to us. it was so far out of the bounds of what is proper. it is legal in a sense because the president is the boss of the attorney general. the attorney general is not his lawyer. and that's something that president trump just seems not to understand. >> looking at the facts here, and echoing the analysis, there's not a claim on the table today about ill legality. the concern that the president is personally involved in what looks to be a house investigation into hillary clinton and something that is years and years old. procedurally how does this work and politically does this look to you to be suspicious? >> this definitely stinks. there's no other w

and then news broke that steele is talking to bob mueller. continuing many months of fbi scrutiny of the explosive claims in the trump russia dossier. and then last night rachel maddow reported that steele is happy to talk to senate investigators. >> an associate of steele test us that in fact very recently, in late september, christopher steele in london related to washington through this associate that mr. steele in fact would be happy to meet with richard burr and senator mark

judge jeanine: bob mueller is trying to find out desperately whether or not donald trump after one year congress has found not one iota of evidence. mueller is trying to figure out whether or not there was any connection between russia and trump. he was investigating, he knew everything that was going on with russia. should he be investigating donald trump? >> and he should be investigating the clinton foundation and bill and hillary. all of them. judge jeanine: i have got to take it back. a lot happening right now. kellyanne conway still ahead. we'll listen live to the former presidents. we'll hear from president trump on tape. live coverage on "justice." ♪ hungry eyes ♪ one look at you and i can't disguise ♪ ♪ i've got hungry eyes ♪ applebee's 2 for $20. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. applebee's 2 for $20. a heart attack doesn't or how healthy you look. no matter who you are, a heart attack can happen without warning. a bayer aspirin regimen can help prevent another heart attack. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. bayer aspirin. i'll have