bob mueller's office said he did. one of them did and one of them did not, so somebody is not telling the truth. we will find that out. that's number one. you put that in the context of everything, it will be an interesting hearing. i don't think the conclusion is going to change anything of what happens here, but people will hear from bob mueller. i don't think we will get anything different than the statement he made a couple weeks back, but he's going to answer some real questions, ones that have gone unanswered so far appeared to be when i nine and a half minutes press conferd god bless our media mob, considers a theorist, liars, holsters, because for a few hours they thought they had it all appeared wait a minute, mueller said the reason he couldn't consider indictment because of doj policy, and constitutional issues. and then a few hours later, there was a press release. it was from the attorney general barr, and it was from the special counsel's office, and basically said oh, never mind, we said just the opposi

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by the time bob mueller spoke, he was fighting misperceptions about his own work fed by his own boss who announced to the nation that mueller didn't reach a conclusion on obstruction, implying mueller handed off that call to attorney general barr who was then announcing his view that donald trump did not obstruct justice. but the mueller report did not end with a section for barr to fill in the blank. it noted that congress decides whether to accuse a president of obstruction, not the justice department. and mueller was so concerned by barr's summary, he wrote a formal letter of obstruction to barr the next day which remains undisclosed as of this weekend and a second letter noting that he was not accurately texturing the mueller report and objecting to the public confusion barr created which barr later dismissed in the cattiest of terms. >> yeah. the letter is a bit schmidty and i think it was probably win by one of his staff people. >> blaming it on staff? well, that appears disingenuous because we knew, barr knew, mueller personally reached out. >> did anyone, either you or anyone

how long did it take bob mueller?arned this early on, why did you wait almost two years before you told the country that there was no conspiracy between the trump campaign and russia to influence the election? after all, that was your central task of this entire special counsel investigation. that's a question the whole country has for bob mueller. >> he didn't bring in an indictment of roger stone until the end of the process. >> i don't know. but i do know what jim comey told us. he said after ten months of the fbi looking into this, they had no evidence of any type of conspiracy or coordination or collusion between the trump campaign and russia to impact the 2016 election. how long did it take bob mueller? 19 lawyers, most of them were democrats who were out to get the president. how long did it take him to figure out? i think that's a question most members and frankly most people in this country would have for bob mueller. >> congressman, thanks for your time this morning. >> you bet. >>> roundtable is up next. we

now. >> bob mueller better be prepared.l you he'll be cross examined for the first time and the american people will start to see the flaws in his report. liz: that may mean meadows will ask him about why he didn't thrieng the steel dossier and the fisa issues. >> the response is i wasn't asked to look behind why the assignment came to me. but a lot of questions go to the integrity of the investigation, the conduct of the investigation, as well as the way the report was written that will be good fodder for cross-examination. liz: the "new york times" is out with an opinion piece, democrats you can tell mueller you can fix your mistakes, ask him about how trump broke campaign finance law by accepting something of value, information from russians. i think they will try to push him on that front. >> i think that's a dry hole it's a cul-de-sac, a blind alley. the federal elections laws are a mess. here bob mueller deserves credit. he did not bring charges against anyone. when you look at that language, something of value, what

it is good that bob mueller will testify. he will have a lot of explaining to do with the irregularities that took place in the investigation and he will have to answer them. >> thank you for calling in today. thanks for being with us. professor, i want to bring you back in. to this idea that one of the members, the statement are coming fast and furious but one of the members on the democratic side of the aisle said this would be a chance to expose the president's felonies with regard to obstruction. a special counsel did not make that connection many in congress have argued he left it to them and now they will finish the job by having him come in and ask him what he meant for them to take the reins from here and finish looking into obstruction. >> remember james comey was recommended to be fired by the acting attorney general of the united states precisely because he went beyond his role as saying we are not going to charge anybody and i'm going to tell you my opinion that hillary clinton engaged in extreme carelessness. i o

he's gotten away by sitting on it for months andth m but one of the things that bob mueller wanted too is turn up e heat on congress to act in thatse s bob mueller seemed conflicted on the obstruction of justice. there was a huge wink involved there. which is to say we didn't find that the president didn't find obstructio of justice and now it's time for others to do something about it.s now iour turn as you said. and that was the other takeaway from it. the third pointe i would m is that the president was pretty conflicted too because he wants to say bob mueller exonerated me, complet exonerated. oh, by the way, he was a never trumper and deeply con flibblingted. either he' -- deeply conflicted. eithere's honorable or conflicted. >> how is he playing at the white house? inside the west wing? what's the mood? yamiche: it's one of president trump still feeling ary at the fact that the mueller investigation ever happened. we saw his tweet this week, i had nothing to do with russia helping me win the election. and quickly backtracked. that's not what i meant. i won it by melf. bob muelle

bob mueller will testify and i'm sure he'll stick to what is in his report. i don't expect a new revelation. that certainly would be inappropriate. so we'll find out when he testifies what he'll say but i expect it to be of the report. >> i think i messed it up. bill barr is who i meant to say. >> that is okay. i knew who you were talking about. >> are you worried at all that robert mueller will testify that he did, in fact, intentionally leave it up to congress to decide whether the president obstructed justice? is that a concern? >> no, i'll tell you what it is. if you look at volume 2 of the report, of the report which is the obstruction provision, the whole process is turned upside down. i think the biggest question bob mueller will have to ask him self-or be asked is do you really think it is the job of the special counsel to exonerate someone? because prosecutors don't exonerate. you're presumed innocent until proven guilty or until a charge is brought in a court of law. here he said that -- he said we're not saying the president committed a crime, we'r

bob mueller should have reached a decision. there isn't anyone in the country, republican or democrat who expected bob mueller, after everything you just relayed, two years of this, to come back and tell us he was not able to reach a decision or conclusion, especially when he was able to reach a decision on the most important aspect, whether or not anyone committed any crime by colluding with russia. bob mueller put a stake in the heart of his collusion conspiracy narrative as it relates to donald trump. he did exactly what a prosecutor is supposed to do. that's what surprising in puzzling why he went on for 200 more pages and did exactly what prosecutor isn't supposed to do which is talk about potential crime, potential conduct of someone that he has no intention of charging with anything. it doesn't make any sense, and to your point about that advisory olc opinion that bob mueller used as a basis, i wish i could tell you that i agreed with his analysis. the idea of the explanation that he gave, that opinion stands for the pro

jeffries: it's my view we should proceed with caution as it relates to bob mueller's testimony in part because, as you know, the law requires us to try to find an accommodation that's reasonable with the ecalcitrant witness. bob muller is a well-respected american, talented law enforcement professional, a war hero, has indicated he has some reluctance about public testimony so we're working through that reluctance right now, i think chairman nadler is doing a responsible thing by not jumping to a subpoena because ultimately if we have to fight this out in court we have to demonstrate that we have been reasonable in our approach to him. to date, we have been more than reasonable. thank you, everyone. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2019] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> house democrat committee chairs held a briefing with reporters after the house debated and passed a resolution that would let the house judiciary committee sue attorney general william barr and fo

he doesn't want to speak again and he's bob mueller. isn't he usually right? that was how a lot of people reacted including some very important people in congress. but that understandable reaction is not any kind of legal rule. it is more like a feeling. you might say you understand that feeling. he works hard. maybe he knows best. i want to be clear about the facts that explain some of what i'm about to tell you. legally, this is not up to mueller or barr or certainly donald trump. congress decides who is subpoenaed and the few in congress who make that decision. the speaker and a very small number of relevant shares. tonight, they seem to be coming around to the public position that they will make mueller testify regardless of his stated reticence. here's jerry nadler today. >> we will if we have to. >> how much longer will we wait? >> the people with the subpoena power, they don't have to negotiate much in public. but what you just heard there does sure sound like a sign that democrats are now willing to compel mueller. they're saying so. and it is not the

that was the legal conclusion reached by bob mueller. as it relates to obstruction of justice, as bill barr said correct legally, no obstructive intent. so those are the two questions. the fact that bob mueller is going to testify, i don't think you're going to see anything different in his testimony than what's in his report. >> more on that in a bit. and one of trump's strongest supporters on capitol hill made this prediction. >> so it is case closed for me. they can do anything they want in the house. i think it will blow up in their face. conclusions can't change. there is no collusion. >> and a short time ago the president weighed in with just this. calling the latest development presidential harassment. that was the last we heard from him. and here with our leadoff discussion on a tuesday night, frank figlusi, jeremy bash, and former u.s. attorney joyce vance who spent 25 years give or take as a federal prosecutor. good evening and welcome to you all. frank, we have reason to believe this is about duty, honor, country. he is not a

he's said bring bob mueller in. we'll ask him questions. bob mueller doesn't want to testify.mueller said the report speaks for itself. if the report speaks for itself, why did you do a press conference? why a 9:39 press conference and not take any questions and tell everybody you don't want to testify. doug collins has been clear. i'm happy to ask some questions. i have questions. i'll be prepared if he comes in. >> shannon: you think he'll show up under subpoena. >> i think he would. this is up to jerry nadler and the democrats and nancy pelosi in many ways what happens if they require bob mueller -- my guess is if they're going to try to work it out and bring him in. they don't want to. i don't know where they're at. if he comes, we'll have questions. >> we know you will. we'll watch closely. congressman, thank you for stopping in. thank you. >> thank you. >> shannon: the fate of missouri's last abortion clinic is up in the air. we have more. >> on tuesday, a st. louis judge ruled that nonstaff doctors at the planned parenthood clinic in st. louis do not have to comply with

if bob mueller sits before these committees and repeats what he wrote in the report, why is this so pivotal? >> because the american people need to hear the truth, unvarnished, and robert mueller is the person best able to deliver it. the vast majority of the american public and seemingly some members of congress still do not fully understand what robert mueller found in his investigation and what's in the report. and just seeing a person live on tv behind the microphone answering questions live will hit so much harder than tit eve could just in the written black and white. >> and you look at one passage and there have been, when you look at politicians, multiple interpretations of what he was actually meaning. what did he mean when he said x, y, and z? and that leads me to what do you think is the most important question he can be asked? >> the biggest question, really straight forward, is do you believe the president committed a crime? he will try to tap dance around that. he did this a little in the report by saying, well, we have this policy at doj that we don't indict a sitting preside

it hasn't started, bob mueller barely speaks. take a look. >> will you try to block robert mueller from testifying? >> i don't know anything about it. i just heard. and my only response to mueller is does it ever stop? after all of these years and times and people, does it ever stop? this is a diversion. but i ask you this, does it ever stop? >> so let's be really clear who he's talking to, to his audience at fox news so that's going to be the sound bite that the americans following him get where they're saying my god, this is going to be a witch hunt. will it ever stop. it's not him being at a loss of words. it's him doing good pr and spin. i have met three different people who were strangers who said i had no idea, one, what was actually in the mueller report that there was any question about whether trump did anything that had any impropriety to it. i never heard this before and two, i feel like this is kinds of over. why are we still talking about it. it's because of those talking points that become sound bites that his people

and bob mueller was determined to do something about it. then as we all know after a few days on the job as f.b.i. director, bob was confronted with the horror of 9/11. i know from experience how hard it is to reorient the mission and transform the culture of large, proud, historically successful institutions. on september 12, 2001, no one would have predicted that america would go more than a decade without another major terrorist attack. that we did is of enormous credit to bob mueller and as he would be the first to say, the men and women he leads at the f.b.i. director mueller's life has been one of truly splendid service, and william and mary is honored to have him as our 2013 commencement speaker. ladies and gentlemen, the honorable robert mueller. [applause] director mueller: well, thank you for that very kind introduction, lady gaga. you have not heard the last of that. it's a pleasure for me to be here and be given the opportunity to recruit for the f.b.i. i will say it is a tremendous honor to join the graduates today as they move

democrats wrong to put john dean's, you know, greatest hits back in the day testimony ahead of say, bob mueller? >> no. look. we're continuing to bring, to do what we have to do to get the witnesses before the committee. the conversations with mr. mueller continue. we're going to bring contempt against two witnesses. >> the contempt is important. we've been covering that. on the mueller side, wouldn't you want to hear from mueller before john dean? and hasn't he made clear what his position is? he told you last week publicly, and jerry nadler says they've been negotiating privately, he told the world. he's only coming if he's subpoenaed. >> i think there's no question that robert mueller made it cheer to the committee and the american people that he would prefer not to testify. in my view, it is his duty to testify. in he's not willing to do it voluntaril voluntarily. >> i'm only questioning you because he said if. he said wednesday in halawyerly words. he said you would have to subpoena me to come. when would that subpoena come? >> i would advocate for that subpoena immediately. >> immediately

it is good bob mueller will testify.e will have a lot of explaining to do with it irregularities that took place during his investigation. and he will have to answer those. >> shannon: jay sekulow, part of the president's legal team, thank you for calling in. >> jay: thanks, shannon. >> shannon: to this idea one of the members, i'm trying to find the statement because coming fast and furious boat on the democratic side of the aisle, this would be a chance to expose the president's villainy with regard to obstruction. if the special counsel did not make that connection i'm a mini argued he elected them and they will finish the job by having him come in and call and ask him what he meant for them to take the reins from here and finish looking into obstruction. >> bradley: look, remember james comey recommended to be fired by the acting attorney general of the united states, precisely because he went beyond his role of saying we will not charge anybody. and i mean to tell you my opinion that hillary clinton engaged in extre

bob mueller didn't break the law. bob mueller didn't terminate or delete emails. in fact the only person bob mueller terminated was pete strozk when he removed him from the special counsel's team interfering russian interference in the election. when it came to light he was removed at his assistance. i'm sure that was not a long meeting. i'm sure bob mueller didn't deliberate about whether pete strozk had to be removed. this is a part of what matt miller is referring to and part of the smear campaign of the july 17th testimony. this particular charge makes absolutely no sense. not only are the words wrong but the underlying thing that the president is trying to describe never happened. >> i want to also though sort of dig deep and i know it's always a dark place and we all try to get into donald trump's mind and i think i'll leave it to the medical professionals to try to understand why he landed on the word terminated when he was looking for the kwoword deleted. i'm not a friend or ally but i'm worried about him landing on that word, honestly. but he's accusing r

bob mueller doesn't need to go beyond the four corners of his report. ample, when you were interviewing bob mcgahn, you and your team, special counsel mueller, did you make it clear to bob mcgahn that it would be a crime for him to lie to you? i'm sure the answer to that question is yes. so then the follow-up question is, so when don mcgahn told you that the president instruct him -- instructed him to fire you and when he declined to do so, and under penalty of perjury, the president instructed him to lie about it and create a false document about it. when don mcgahn told you about those things, did don mcgahn know he would be prosecuted to lie about those things? the answer would have to be yes. just being exposed to public view, that information that's in the report that shows the president obstructed justice, i think would be a powerful visual for the american people. >> glen, do you expect there will be someone who asks rohnert mueller whether or not he would have indicted the president or suggested he should be indicted were it not for the cloak of

it is incredible bob mueller chose to do the job the way he did, and he did many things well. although there are some things in the end where he got outmaneuvered in the public debate by mr. barr. and lawyers understand if you let a mischaracterization sit, if you let a lie sit, it is very hard to undo that in the minds of whatever the governing body is. the minds of the jury, the congress, the entire american public. and so as i said bringing the book to the twitter fight meant that barr didn't just debate or disagree with the mueller report. i mean he's the boss of the justice department. he can do all sorts of things. no, he put in place a view of the mueller report that was fundamentally wrong before anybody got to read it. so i thought it was almost a plaintive cry from bob mueller, from another era, a g-man. >> another era. >> a military guy, a prosecutor's prosecutor to implore everyone read the report. while mr. barr has summary letters that were misleading and we were seeing two different ways of communicating about these issues. >> you have barr, the head of the judi

released and 27 days after his only public comment, today, we now know when former special counsel bob mueller will speak again. breaking just moments ago congressman adam schiff and jerry nadler announced that mueller will appear at an open hearing in front of the house intel and judiciary committee on july 17th. now, for all of you watching at home, i want to go back to that single appearance by mueller just four weeks ago and what he said about what any congressional testimony from him would look like. >> and i don't expect this to be the only time i will speak to you in this manner. i am making that decision myself. no one has told me whether i can or should testify or speak further about this matter. there has been discussion about an appearance before congress. the report is my testimony. i would not provide information beyond that which has already been public in any appearance before congress.id >> laura: so what pray tell changed? a subpoena, but what else will he possibly say? joining me congressman mark meadows republican from north carolina the chair of the freedom caucus attorney

the reason bob mueller will be testify before both the house judiciary and intelligence committees is because house democrats subpoenaed him. they fought for this. they know that mueller said he won't speak beyond what's already in the mueller report. they are simply hoping that having mueller spell out the president's actions on live tv for all the world to see will be enough to make a difference. >> i think just if he says what was in the report and sends it to the american people so they hear it, that would be very, very important. because they've been subjected to months of deception as to what was in the report by the attorney general and by the president. >> so the hearing date has been set, july 17th, exactly three weeks from today. it will quite possibly be one of the biggest congressional hearings in history, harris. >> harris: kristin fisher, thank you. basically bringing us two points of news because we could hear the helicopter there from the white house. guy lewis is with me now, a former u.s. attorney who served with attorney general william barr at the doj during the ge

>> i think we should call on bob mueller. think we should also get to the point of moving on with the other business we have immigration issues. we will do anti-trust issues this week with the internet. the american people, when i get back home dpoe i don't get asked about mueller and collusion. i get asked about healthcare and aid. >> you mentioned mueller. what about mcgahn, you want to hear from him? >> yeah, i think that's between democratic leadership and the white house. i think bringing bob mueller if we continue down this road is absolutely the way it should go. >> overall, you have a report here from the special counsel that says when it comes to this question of obstruction of justice. this is well documented. he didn't make a finding here. he pointed to ten possible instances of obstruction into justice involving this president. what should the judiciary committee do when it gets a report like that? >> first of all you have to start with it is never the prosecutor's moral burden to exonerate. we move through it. my

i don't see bob mueller giving an answer to that., if there are questions about things, for example, the interactions with bill barr, which i think are important, and how the investigation ended and what was it that led to his letter that he wrote to bill barr, you know, that i don't know the answer to. he might answer those questions. i think he should because that's not something that's nonpublic in the report. he will not want to, he is friend with bill barr, he's not someone who wants to personally, you know, get into personal interactions. >> yeah. >> but i do think it is important for the public to hear. and i hope that he does testify about that. >> if you were a law maker in one of those of committees, what would you ask bob mueller? >> one thing i would want to know is how and why the investigation ended when it did. maybe mueller was ready to wrap up. but it sure seemed to end abruptly with a lot of hanging threads. putting aside the contents of the report, if i had to look to something that i think we might be able to get

. >>> why didn't bob mueller sue to get the interview? why was not bob mueller clearer?my next guest has more information. he says he's talked to a host trump wore people, also obtained secret memos from inside mueller's team including research on what would happen if trump tried to fire mueller or pardon people. all of that in his book, siege. it sold over 4 million copies around the world. earned the threat of a lawsuit from donald trump and was associated with the removal of steve bannon from the white house. how are you doing? >> great. thank you for having me. >> and you have a lot of stuff in here. you're a troflts author. let's start with what you say you found. secret internal memos that no one else has ever gotten which explored the potential limits on the mueller probe. >> all of these memos, if you read through them. you come up with one conclusion. the special counsel is a very, very fragile construct. that it could disappear any moment. the memos are a series of questions. can the president of the united states unilaterally fire the special counsel? >> and l

so i think bob mueller has that in the back of his mind as well. you know, he knows that john durham is one of the top u.s. attorneys and one of the top legal minds in america. >> sean: and steel interrogation. we also know he has to say or will he be charged with perjury and great britain? >> laura: we have that and the horowitz ig investigation, the longest investigation. where is that? we want that out yesterday. >> sean: can we speeded up mr. horowitz. come on, you are killing us here. >> laura: the point again and you have hammered this home and explained it to people which is so important better than anybody. what has happened at the core of our criminal justice system, our justice department, where it is supposed to be blind lady justice. blind with regard to politics or your skin color or anything. the corruption at the core is

three weeks from today, former special counsel bob mueller is scheduled to testify on capitol hill. ith and jerry nadler subpoenaed mueller's testimony for back-to-back hearings on july 17th. mueller will appear before open sessions of both panels and later his staff will answer questions in a closed hearing. all of this after mueller insisted he has nothing more to say which chairman schiff reacted to. >> i will not provide any information beyond what is public in congress. >> what they have represented to us is that they view themselves as prosecutors. and prosecutors don't normally talk outside of the trial, doubts of t outside of the indictment. but let's face it, it's not a normal prosecutor case. and bill barr has felt able to speak round the mueller report. if he's able to speak beyond the four corners of the mueller report, show should robert mueller. >> president trump responding i think his testimony is going to be just like his press conference, totally useless with him respepeating i can't make uy mind. the president appeared to react, he wrote presidential harassment. >>

bob mueller finally testifying. let's talk about that. that is not a front and center issue for democrats or other voters across the country as we have been traveling around and talking to voters, but now it is going to dominate potentially. >> and what is striking is that we have heard from the president on this topic, and he is obviously frustrated and lashed out at robert mueller again, and he said it never ends relating to the topic, and what we have seen is that we have heard from the president saying that nobody is talking about the russian investigation and that is about to change, and that is going to get under this president's skin once again, because as he has tried to focus the attention on other topic, and put it behind him on the major stage on july 17th, and every television is going to be focused on the man before the house intel and judiciary committees. the world is going to be watching. and remember the president last time when michael cohen testified was overseas in vietnam for the kim jong-un summit and furious that it

these are final who are vocal about the way they feel, increasingly vocal, after having heard from bob muellernd forth that went on between the attorney general and mueller and the details of the investigation. i think the drum beat will continue to build. they're certainly not at a tipping point yet. there are more democrats now, even people not in deep blue districts who think there's a strategic advantage to potentially launching impeachment hearings. the public may not make a distinction between that and going full bore toward impeachment, but there is a strategic advantage there which means it may be the only way to do what nancy pelosi said there, building an ironclad case. it may be the only way they can do that is using some of the powers they have under impeachment. >> part of it is you have such a vast majority in the house am dong democrats. you have the more liberals and you have what nancy pelosi and others call her majority makers who tend to be more moderate and less inclined on impeachment. let's listen first to benny thompson of mississippi who is in the former category. >> i

"and here's bob mueller!" you walk in with volume one onn the binder under one arm and volume to undo the other. and he's going to say, "can i refer you to volume two page 115?" and he's going to read directly from it. i don't know how that shifts the sentiment in this country toward impeachment. >> melissa: what you're talking about, that's been read ad nauseam end. everybody has said that out loud on television. it's been -- >> jessica: certainly not the president. the president says, "total witch hunt, exoneration, no collusion, no obstruction pair" >> melissa: it's been said on television. you just set it on television! so it's been said on television the whole bunch of times, and people aren't getting any more interested in it. i think the mistake is that yesterday, i think we reached a point where the crisis at the border was getting a lot of attention. and now we are talking about mueller again. to me, that's disappointing because that's on fire at the border and we need to focus on that. and now we've

they are more likely to listen to bob mueller who has shown he has powerful gravitas, that he has not politicized his process and never appeared publicly or answered any questions by the press during that entire review and investigation, so i think hearing from him is going to be quite important. >> you support beginning a formal impeachment inquiry and 78 other democrats so far. do you through mueller's public testimony will convince more lawmakers to join you? >> i would be surprised if it does not. because just the airing of the data, of the actual conclusions will have a powerful effect, i think, on members and the american public. i think starting the inquiry is part of our job. now, whether or not we pursue it to the point of having a vote on the floor, or sending it to the senate where it would be dead on arrival is another thing. but we have the obligation to investigate this fully and i'm very concerned that russia will certainly do everything in its power to continue to impact our elections and bob mueller actually said that as much in his one press conference that he held.

nbc news now reporting about bob mueller's looming testimony. open sessions with mueller and two closed sessions with his staff. and this involves twos key committees, intel and judiciary. the closed sessions will not be classified. members can discuss what they heard. congressman swalwell serves on both committees making him a very interesting guest. he will also as you see him going through his walk through looking casual, sir, today. he's going to be on that stage tonight. it's another rarity for presidential campaigns. congressman swalwell doing this interview before he gets out there. i guess that means you're not nervous. >> i'm ready. >> i appreciate you being here. >> thank you. >> when you look at bob mueller and the details coming out, what do you hope the american people learn from him and is that relevant to anything that's going to happen on the stage tonight? >> yes, russia attacked us. nothing in the mueller report said, oh, by the way, everything they did in 2016 they've stopped doing or the person they helped has confronted them.

him a day after bob mueller into at the justice department.ons this man needs to answer. they are not about are you sending us a report, is this a roadmap for obstruction. there are tons of things beyond his findings. there's no excuse for him not to come. we're not getting any answers about that and i think it's really an abject horror. >> joyce vance, thank you for being on capitol hill. do you want the last wore word oppose that? i'll let you button that up for me. >> i look forward to the fact witnesses coming forward. that's where we need to go next. we've heard from prosecutors, we can hear more from prosecutors, i think we would like to know the facts. >> we're all saying the same thing. when we come back jon stewart shames congress on an angry and emotional speech on behalf of the 9/11 responders. that story next. n behalf of the 9/11 responders. that story next. if your adventure... keeps turning into unexpected bathroom trips. you may have overactive bladder, or oab. not again! we're seeing a doctor when we get home. myrbetriq treats

. >>> president trump weighs in on bob mueller saying he didn't fire the special counsel because of what happened to richard nixon. d nixon. >>> good monday morning, everybody, it is june 17th. i'm yasmin vossoughian, alongside nbc news white house correspondent geoff bennett. president trump's 2020 campaign is cutting ties with some of its pollsters after internal numbers were leaked to the media showing joe biden ahead of trump in several key states. that's according to one person close to the campaign who spoke to nbc news. the move comes after nbc obtained details from a march internal poll that found trump trailing biden in 11 states. in wisconsin, pennsylvania, florida and michigan, four states where trump edged democratic nominee hillary clinton by narrow margins that proved decisive in his victory, trump trails biden by double digits in three states, wisconsin, pennsylvania and florida, biden's lead sits outside the poll's margin of error. trump also trails the former vice president by 17 points in virginia, 15 in maine, 14 in minnesota, and 18 in north carolina. 7 points in iowa

a look at bob mueller's media coverage and whether he overstepped his bounds. alan dershowitz is on deck. when you shop for your home at wayfair, you'll find just what you need and so much more. you get to spend less time searching and more time loving every room, even the ones you never thought could look good. you get great deals on the things you need and actually want. you get fast and free shipping on thousands of items and finds for every home, and every style, at every price. that's what you get when you've got wayfair. so shop now! straight from the world's best plant scientists comes miracle-gro performance organics. it's miracle-gro's next big thing. ♪ ♪ organic plant food and soil that finally work. ♪ ♪ and work... and work. ♪ ♪ and yes we did say organic. for twice the bounty, guaranteed. miracle-gro performance organics. organics finally grow up. and up, and up. >> let's talk about bob mueller's appearance magellan dershowitz, the harvard law professor who wrote the mueller report, final report of the special counsel, that donald trump, russia, let

trump wanted to fire bob mueller, could president trump fire bob mueller? could he have done it at any time? >> sure. >> if he wanted to fire jeff sessions, could he have done it at any time. >> yep. >> if he wanted to fire don mcgahn, could he have fired him at any time. >> certainly could. >> as we're dealing with endeavor, which is just attempt, endeavor to obstruct and when we typically deal with attempt it's important that we have it because if i determine i'm going to rob a bank or murder somebody, there are underlying factors that could cause me to not complete that action, you would agree, right? >> yes. i mean, you have to look at what people do. you also have to consider what they say but venting is venting and this is a president who likes to vent but you look at what he does and in fact, he did not do any of the things that, you know, he was talking about doing. >> and then even more so, when we walk through with the people who he was venting to, none of them -- as far as the mueller report is concerned, none of them really appeared to have any

at the end of the day, bob mueller is a company man. he had expressed publicly his reluctance to testify, indicated when he gave his remarks a few weeks ago that that was the first time the american people would likely hear from him. we as house democrats led by chairman nadler and chairman schiff have made clear that we believe the issues connected to the mueller report were so serious that it was important for the special counsel to tell his story publicly to the american people. we were determined to bring that about. thanks to the leadership of our two chairmen, united behind the house democratic caucus and our objectives, we'll be able to bring that about on july 17th. >> do you expect there to be a kind of working agreement between the two chairmen about what the two hearings will cover? for example, will you tend to leave volume i of the report to the intelligence committee and have the judiciary committee concentrate on volume ii, where the accusations of obstruction of justice are? >> that is a logical breakdown. the intelligen

i love bob mueller. i have a picture of bob mueller in my house.who was told he could go to vietnam, and unlike donald trump he busted his ass to make sure he could get there. he worked hard and was a hero in vietnam, hero after 9/11. i have nothing but respect for him. but this coy routine is a bit much for me, claire. a bit much. and can i say, too, the guy should have done his job. >> down boy! >> the guy should have reached conclusions in the report. >> i agree and never let william barr do what he did and he's smart enough to know what barr did. but i say to the congressmen, you have to communicate to all of your colleagues on the hill. nobody in america believes you're capable of do anything on impeachment if you can't get bob mueller in front of congress. >> he passed it to you in that press conference. >> jim, jim, jim! what are we going to do? >> and nadler's doing press conferences trying to push nancy pelosi into impeachment when he cannot explain to the american people why his subpoena wasn't issued the day after mueller talked about th

will that get bob mueller to shall we say be more open to testifying? >> you know, it is not really his call. congress can subpoena mueller and make him come to court. i say court but not even court. make him come to a hearing. >> right. >> he says, well, maybe i do it but in private. that's not his call either. when i was a prosecutor, i syst subpoenaed a lot of people that don't want to be there but they don't have the choice. i understand the speaker's concern that impeachment could be counter productive. she's got the votes in the house. i signed that statement with 1,000 other former federal prosecutors saying i thought that i could convict this president of obstruction of justice. but there's not the votes in the senate to remove him from office. and again, if the end game for the protection of our democracy is getting trump out of office pelosi's concern impeachment could fire up trump's base. >> you know, one of the numbers that are being watched at the moment, jeff mason, are those districts where democrats won, 31. but where donald trump, donal

that's probably a good thing, but we need to have bob mueller on capitol hill. >> why?ly bob mueller can explain the findings in a way that will gather attention from the public. there will be a super bowl-sized audience. he's the under arresticoracle o. people pay attention. >> do you believe, you are on television now, you are a great fellow, i can tell. if he's box office and draws a huge audience and comes off with tremendous personality and credibility, do you believe that will start the impeachment process? >> possibly. >> wait a minute. then why are you doing all of this stuff? why have john dean when you won't even say he is box office and makes a passionate case, you have got to do it? do you think he will do it? >> do you think he would be able to set off impeachment? >> if he said it's your turn under the constitution and your job under the constitution is to be the prosecutors. to sentence the judge. do your job. if said it like that, would it work? >> possibly. the reason i say that is right now in our town in washington, there are few people that could ear