>> commissioner, what was the cost difference between bob murray and alliance? >> bob murray was $19,500 and alliance was $17,500. >> these are plus expenses. i'm sorry to interrupt, but they are plus expenses. at this point in either case that is kind of unknown how much that would be. often that is travel of the individual -- i'm sorry, of the candidate if they choose to bring the candidate here if they aren't local or in the region. but i think you could make the same assumption that the expenses for each would be in the same ballpark. >> i'm sorry, pam, where did you say bob murray was based? >> his basis is roseville, california. >> roseville, yeah. and palo alto for alliance. >> commissioner clinch. >> pam, the alliance had sort of the guarantee if someone were to be terminated they would come back with a no cost search again, but what about bob murray, did we ask if he would offer something like that? >> the issue we can do as part of the -- so once you get these proposals then you sit down and you sit across from them and you negotiate. we probably could

bob murray and associates, he was the individual who did the last recruitment for the director. he knows the department as it was 7 years ago, is that how many years? he is, he brings a lot of skills, knowledge and abilities to the forefront and he has dealt with stake holder groups in high profile positions and they also can customize the services to meet the budget and service requirements of the hiring agency. the references he gave were people that were not -- it had been a while since they had done a recruitment so i think he told me it was something like 5 years from -- specifically for a building official. we know that either -- or he wanted to emphasize that either vendor can do the job. they could provide the services, they could meet the needs. there are some observations that he wanted to talk about. in terms of alliancth

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