bob novak, late conservative commentator, tavis, said it was an old wish list of the fbi. i tried to sound the alarm this thing was basically taking advantage of a terrorist attack to get other agendas taken care of. i decided to protest by voting no. i wasn't able to stop it but it did help galvanize a national opposition to this that was, frankly, even stronger sometimes than some of the most conservative states in the union like montana or idaho or alaska as well as the more liberal areas because people sometimes get unified on not wanting the government intruding onto completely innocent behavior. >> a moment like that, how many times were you labeled anti-american for that vote? >> well, you get called a lot of things and i remember the bush administration started saying that some of us had a pre-9/11 mindset or world view and i responded by saying, well, actually, they have a pre-17. 1776 mindset, they don't realize this was an attack on the fundamental principles of our constitution. george will when he saw the surveillance program the bush administration put in, de

the late bob novak used to say put on the earth for taxes. but at the risk of rewarding wealthy or poor. >> not at the risk, these numbers increase. >> wealth. and i would say this economists i talked to today, upon both parties, capital has done well, labor has not. working class people steady wages. people own stocks and real estate done pretty well. this tax plan if you look at it pretty quickly good for stocks but not good for working class families. >> you hear the president claim that numerous democrats, in his words, will come on for this tax plan. do you see elements they will come on board? >> i don't see elements they would come on board with the plan that they laid out today. and i have a hard time imagining anything that they can get 218 votes needed in the senate. yes, you can try to do it. chuck and nancy play where you have a center left package, but why speaker ryan and mcconnell take that to floor, who knows. they have tried three times getting package done. and if you can't get a package to the point going to the floor, and

bob novak had a comment, republican party isn't good for anything unless it's for lower taxes. so there have been profound differences but there have been times when republicans and democrats have joined together to pass specific reforms. 1981, 1986, you look at early tax cuts in the bush years, there was some democratic support for that. the question i think will be do democrats think they're better off politically heading into the 2018 mid-terms opposing everything donald trump says. you would think some red state democratic senators up for reelection might be enticed by this kind of package, which is a middle class tax cut and does offer some of the broader forms that republicans were talking about. >> bill: $20 trillion. 44th and 6th avenue at the clock in new york city. steven hayes in washington, d.c. thank you. >> shannon: cultural icon hugh hefner died last night. build a media empire around his playboy lifestyle. hugh hefner passed away today at 91. #rest in peace. he is staying true to form after death. he will be buried next to marilyn monroe who graced the cover of