realized basically nobody at intel any more ever knew bob noyce. they see him on the wall when you walk into the robert noyce building. >> host: perpetually young. >> guest: yes. it is hard to explain noyce's appeal. he is as charismatic, i have interviewed all these people over the years. he is may be the most charismatic person i ever met. more than packard, more than steve jobs. those guys, you felt the reality distortions around steve and that you are talking to george washington or god. noyce had this easygoing gravitas, this deep baritone voice. you was a singer and also a champion swimmer and he built this gigantic company, he also had been coinventor of the integrated circuit so he was like baseball, talk about the five tool player, noyce had done everything, he was friendly and engage in and down to earth and you could see he had that effect on steve jobs. you wanted hang around with him, you wanted to be bob noyce. that is a hard thing to convey in words and very few videos, i did the last interview with bob before he died for my pbs show.