i'm sure some of you are saying, wow, that's bob oakes? [laughter] i thought he was taller -- [laughter] i thought he was thinner, i thought he had more hair. [laughter] and, you know, the funny thing is that all those things were true last week. [laughter] let me thank all of you for coming here this afternoon and thank the boston book festival for having us. don't they do a nice job? isn't this a terrific eventsome. >> yes. [applause] >> let's also thank the plymouth rock foundation for sponsoring this particular session and say that without their generosity, it would be hard to put on events like this that add to the cultural life that we all enjoy in this great city. so so thanks to them. [applause] and in a way that's what we're here to talk about this afternoon, the triumph of this city and all the cities, the triumph of the city, that's the title of harvard economics professor ed glaeser's book. it's about what's made cities around the world great, about the challenges that they have had to overcome and still face. we're going to ta

oak, well, he we didn't mean that. >> a lot of that was true. >> and in the long run-- >> it's a tired old song, bob.bush, the balance of the money went to the rich people. >> these are the people who paid the taxes and made the money to pay the taxes and the argument is that the economy got better because of the tax cuts and that's what the democrats have conceded. >> and the average income of a family of four did not go up at all during the bush years, so what does it mean? it means that rich people got a lot more money and-- >> you know what's happening now, in the treasury, the revenues coming in now are what they were in 2008. which that tells you that we don't have enough, we can't have it on the spending side and you're gobbling it all up. >> why are you risking all of these-- >> that's the problem. >> why are you risking all of these 80 million people on the tax cuts for rich people, i don't get it. >> it's been a great year here on "the five." yes, but we have certainly had our disagreements, mr. beckel. and look at our best debates better than we're having right now when we come back. oh, m