bob packwood was a liberal republican us senator. of the most important politician in the state, the one that everyone talks about in the newspaper and the newspapers and others say why aren't politics like they used it to be in the 70s, was tom mccall. , call was the governor of the state in the 1970s and probably my called the golden era of portland, oregon politics when some of the most important progressive reforms were taking place in mccall was at the forefront of that reform and so routinely when people talk about oregon and oregonians talk about our political history they talk about tom mccall. one of the interesting things about, call us while he was governor he was republican, very moderate republican. the treasurer was a fellow by the name of bob staab, a democrat. he was the leading democrat in the state for many years. he ran for governor four times and was elected once. when he was treasurer, he would often make a suggestion on something the state ought to do and then mccall would say that's a good idea, we ought to do

bob packwood was a senator. the most important politician in the state, the one everybody ,alks about in the newspaper was tom mccall, the governor of the state in the 1970's. we might call that the golden era of oregon politics. it's when some of the most important progressive reforms are taking place, and mccall was at the forefront of that reform effort. routinely, when people talk about oregon, they talk about tom mccall. of the interesting things about, call is that while he was governor, he was a republican, a .ery moderate republican a fellow by the name of bob democrats the leading in the state for many years. he ran for governor four times and was elected once. he would often make a suggestion of something the state ought to say,nd the mccall would that's a good idea, we should do that. you can just imagine in the world today, a democrat saying we should do something and republican saying that's a good idea, we should do that. it's almost unimaginable today. but that's what it was like in the 1970's and

30 years ago, which was a bipartisan activity with ronald reagan, with tip o'neill, and senator bob packwoodjim baker being a real facilitator of that happening. i don't see that context yet it ought to be created because we need comprehensive tax reform >>> how poisonous is the situation in washington right now? we haven't seen the two sides work together in a very long time >> well, you say that, we just passed a russian sanction bill >> that was unanimous, yes almost unanimous >> well, it was almost unanimous. but, don't just slough it aside. after all what it said was, we're not going to allow the president of the united tates, as a member of the republican party, and republicans are in the majority in both houses, and overwhelmingly passed a thing that said no, mr. president, you can't do it without our participation. the administration was opened to that so don't just slough it off as that was unanimous it was but as you know, mr. mccarthy and i worked on that for about a month to get it to a place where it could be passed in the form and with the support that it had. so, there has bee