. >> i think bob reich is wrong about this. we have spent trillions of dollars over the last 7 or 8 years on shovel ready projects. it really hasn't worked to create the kind of jobs. i would make the case to you, bob reich, and i want your response, we do need infrastructure in this country. you know what we need? we need pipelines, kind of infrastructure to get our energy resources all over the world. it's the way to break the back of the russians in terms of that are aggression. we could build a vibrant middle class with these energy resources. we're talking about unionized jobs that pay $80,000, $90,000, $100,000 a reyear. aren't you for that. >> i'm for all forms of infrastructure. we may have different cost/benefit analyses. but let me say something. you two understand something that has happened in the american economy that you're not giving obama or the democrats any credit for at all and that is the extra ordinary explosion on the stock market. the stock market has never been doing well enough. i don't know why republi