budget deficit hawks that bob ruben was, right or wrong. >> right, that's right. >> charlie: do it at the last minute, the republicans are arguing that, the republicans will argue now, they'll come in here and argue that yes they presented a surplus but the yes they presented an economy that was losing steam. and all of a sudden, you know -- >> in 2001. >> charlie: yes, in 2001. that's what they argued. >> we have the internet. >> charlie: your friend the president argues that. he does. come on. he sought your council, president bush. >> he is a good honest man. >> charlie: you know that better than i do. the republicans made the argument when presented with the argument of surplus yes, there was a surplus, yes, we had a war, choice and they argued, on the other hand they argued the economy as presented had the seeds of its own decline on it. you reject that. >> i do reject that. >> charlie: any republican said they inherited an economy it was not all they made how the to be, you say they're flat wrong. >> there was the weakness in this internet asset bubble. but as it turned out, tha

bob. but jim. jim rowe. james ruben rowe to be exact. at least a real name. but that was all that was real about him. >> it's been very gratifying to be here in st. george. it is a special place. >> like the time jim rowe in a navy s.e.a.l. uniform spoke to a class of high school students about his years in an elite commando unit, about sacrifice and friendship and faith. in a speech arraigned by ron nelson. >> anybody that i served with, i would have gladly laid my life down for. and i can say the same thing for anyone that served with me. >> or when nelson, whose family is prominent in the mormon church, sponsored jim rowe's baptism. >> i just trusted jim wholeheartedly. nobody could make me feel any different. >> and all the while, nelson claims jim rowe was stealing. like the time rowe brokered the sale of his collection of antique rifles, sold them far too cheap and pocketed all the proceeds. >> he sold $250,000 of them for $38,000. >> he kept the money? >> and kept the money. >> of course, rowe split town soon enough. leaving his friend and surrogate fa