within the treasury with bob rubin were able to get deregulation?e able to get glass-steagall repealed? is that what we're talking about? >> that's part of what we're talking about. but it's more pervasive than that because it's not only that they succeeded in getting the this deregulation, you know, preventing regulation of the derivative which is the derivatives are what led to the problem at a.i.g. which cost american taxpayers so much money. >> rose: and who was the woman that was surging them and trying to warn them? >> she had said before the long-term capital management debacle... >> rose: this was a number of years earlier. >> that was back in 1998 the failure of one firm began the... >> rose: that was earlier. >> she said how can you doubt that? and yet they succeeded in not only not having the regulation but passing a law saying you could not regulate it. >> rose: you have been much tougher than you are being here. you have said, for example, that larry summers and the obama team are in the pockets of the banks and they need new faces who