. >> well bob sherrill, we used to call him the other bob sherrill because there was another bob sherrill who was famous for a book called saturday night special which was from your state. this book, the other bob sherrill, my bob sherrill said that this book, it was about handguns, was so powerful, you just should hold it up to your forehead, learn how to report. because it was such relentless reporting. but anyway, the other bob sherrill distinguished from that bob sherrill had come west to edit a little under ground we called them then newspaper that we said was like the village voice for los angeles, which it wasn't. but we said that. it was called the l.a. and i worked with him there. he was the one who listened to my ideas and then tell me, maybe you should be an editor. we went round and roundabout that. >> rose: why did he say this. >> i think he liked my ideas. he liked it, we used to drive around southern california around a lot and i had the best car. i used to drive him around. >> rose: what kind of car did you have. >> i had a volkswagon convertible. i had been reading esquir