the treasurer was a fellow by the name of bob staab, a democrat. he was the leading democrat in the state for many years. he ran for governor four times and was elected once. when he was treasurer, he would often make a suggestion on something the state ought to do and then mccall would say that's a good idea, we ought to do that you could just imagine the world today in which a democrat said when we do that and it republican turned around and said yes, that's a good idea, let's do that. you know, unimaginable today. buck, that's what it was like in the 1970s and 80s. of the most important conservative populace in the state during the 1990s, he was the one who used the initiative process better, more effectively than anyone else. throughout the 1990s the legislature and stay continuously had to respond to what bill sizemore was proposing. sizemore became very effective because he turned that initiative process into a business, so than that way in essence he could make money while putting initiatives on the ballot and so when you get to the 1990s an