cybercenter employee, bob stasio and also daniel o'connor, the senior director for public policy and government affairs at the computer and communications industry association. i began by asking bob about the risks of curbing surveillance practices. >> i believe really what it does is slows down the process of our ability to gather intelligence and analyze it, if it does anything. for example, i like to use the 9/11 example of right before the 9/11 attacks, it became evident that one of the hijackers was communicating with i believe elements in yemen. following that, we were not able to actually collect that intelligence and analyze it because the call was eminating from within the united states. after that, the 9/11 report, a recommendation was made to change some of our collection ability in order to catch intelligence items of that value. if we swing the pendulum the other way too much into the privacy realm, i think it might slow down our ability to find things like that. >> so you think if these recommendations are implemented as is, that it would be dangerous? >> not all of them