>> bob taft, mr. republican from ohio, is fair to say he was the champion of the isolationist wing of the republican party. that is to say, the wind profoundly suspicious of international organizations like the u. n. suspicious of litter on the korean war. suspicious of projecting american military power around the world as opposed to building up a american defenses here at home. former president herbert hoover would have been in that camp as well. the thomas e. dewey is somebody who had morphed. from a young man, he had been an isolationist. one of the interesting things is to watch him become a committed internationalists and a champion of bipartisan foreign policy. >> given that, what is the impact of that attitude on all of his presidential bid? he runs in 1940, 1944, 1948. >> i think it was safe to say it was statesmanlike. it did not win him any votes. in 1944 there was a significant conflict between thomas e. dewey and fdr. they disagreed over the united nations. specifically, would the united

>> bob taft, mr. republican, from ohio, it is fair to say, was the champion of the isolationist wing of the republican party. that is to say, the wing profoundly suspicious of international organizations like the u.n. suspicious of later on the korean war. suspicious of projecting american military power around the world. as opposed to building up american defenses here at home. former president herbert hoover would certainly have been in that camp as well. dewey, on the other hand, is someone who had morphed as a young man being a quasi-isolation ills and o-- isolationist. and he became a champion of bipartisan fortune policy. >> what is the impact of that attitude on all of his bids?ential he runs in 1940, 1944 and 1948? >> it was statesman like but it didn't win him many votes. it didn't win him the pressey. in 1944 there was a significant conflict between dewey and f.d.r. even though dewey agreed to the idea that politics stops at the water's edge they disagreed over the united nations and specifi

taft. it must've been a sore real final meeting in the hospital. i would have loved to be a fly on the wall. >> the you know anything about that meeting? >> no. >> let's hear from bob next. >> good evening. what did governor dewey think of governor rockefeller as the inherit tour of the east republicanism? >> i will defer it to tom pugh was there. >> you go first. >> there is some debate on that in the book i am working on. i have not quite made up my mind. tom dewey was much more of a fiscal conservative and nelson rockefeller was. there was a meeting to work the end of his life for they are at a party. dewey says, you know, i like you. i am not sure i can of 40. dewey's approach to government was much more fiscally orthodox. he hated that. -- he hated debt. nelson was less restrictive in that regard. >> that is a very nice way of saying that. as far as the nixon vs. rockefeller, that did not attended the convention because the rockefellers going way back had been a baby his largest campaign contributors, they worked hard for him. there were good friends. my take from that was he thought the party should be nominating richard nixon in 1968. he was not going to get