bob van dijk stepped in after the ceo stepped down in 2014. seen to be part of the ebay company at the time. this is a tech bohemoth that they're trying to grow. at the time naspers biggest investment has been ten cent. naspers made up nearly 25% of the johannesburg stock exchange which was a problem for a lot of fund managers. that needed to be diluted. they split off the 10 cent holding as well as the risk of some of the tech companies within naspers and formed prosus in 2019. that listed on the euro in 25021. they bought 45.4% of naspers, its own company, which was aimed to reduce the discount they're trading at. naspers said 25% to nab. there are a few worries to consumers as well as investors. >> do we have any indication whether the incoming ceo is going to be the ceo of both companies or are they going to separate them? >> at present the incoming ceo ervin tu is the interim ceo. he was at softbank and was part of the -- managing partner of the technology segment of goldman sachs. so really, really significant. he does seem to be a shoe