>> i'm bob walker, with the wechsler and walker, the executive chairman of wechsler walker. i am one of those people who lobbies on science policy, who my -- i have professors who are way over the grades thinking i have anything to do with science policy. [laughter] >> now, it raises an interesting point. i got to this by spending 20 years on the science and technology committee on capitol hill, where i got an education in science policy as opposed to bench science, and it is that intersection between policy and practice that lobbyists walk. it is the ability to take what is being practiced in the rest of the economy and translate it into things that are important in policy in washington. and in this century, that's going to be an even more important part of assuring we have good governance in this country, because the volumes of information we're dealing with are horrendous, and people who have a practiced approach at being able to take those volumes of information and translate them into something meaningful in policy will be more important, not less important in the futur

. >> yes, i am bob walker. i am with wexler and walker.i am one of those people who speaks with the professors and have a great repertoire with them. you know, is a great and interesting point. because i got to this .20 years on the science and technology committee on capitol hill. i got an education and science policy as opposed to bench science. it is that intersection between policy and practice that lobbyists want. it is the ability to take what is being practiced in the rest of the economy and translated into things that are important in policy in washington. in this century that will be an even more important part in ensuring that we have volumes of information that we are now dealing with, and they are horrendous. people who have a practice approach that being able to take those volumes of information and translate them into something meaningful is going to be more important, not less important in the future. that is the reason why what that has done is so important. it helps people to understand in an academic sense what it is supp

bob? >> two things struck me, first of all on the walker decision in california, here you have a referendumput before the state, costs millions to put one of those on, find out it is unconstitutional. see if you can find that out before you put everybody through this, number one. number two, i think what the supreme court basically said here is 5-4 decision, you notice they're always complicated, nobody understands it because it is 5-4, what they're saying is government can't tell you how you're living your lives. almost a libertarian position. however, i think this is going to ignite at murphy brown in the '90s to ignite a values war in politics. i really do. >> eric? >> president obama was defending doma, then he is not defending doma, then evolved further to where he went in favor of doma. so he has evolved. the prop 8 decision, i think the court did an injustice to the american people. here is how it went down. california prop 8 says marriage is between a man and woman. 9th circuit said that's unconstitutional, california, you can't say that. supreme court says we're giving it back to t

bob mcdonald? well, it looks like he is getting a buddy. governor scott walkering all women seeking abortions to get an ultrasound. why? well, governor walker says i don't have any problem with ultrasound. few! i'm glad you don't. this comes days after democrats tried to continue debate on this very bill. but they were shut down by the republican senate president. >> call the role. darling? >> you're out of order. >> ellis. >> you're out of order. >> step down. you're not recognized. >> the question before the house is not debatable. call the role! >> something sought of order, all right. the gop's priorities when it comes to women. joining me now democratic wisconsin state senator lena taylor and lauren ashburn, editor-in-chief of the daily download. thank you both for copping on the show tonight. >> thank you, reverend. >> my pleasure. thank you for having me. >> state senator taylor, let me start with you. why would democrats silence on something as important as this bill? >> why were we what, reverend? i'm sorry. >> why were democrats silenced from debating

walker. >> you want obama to eat jasper? >> we have other good questions. maybe ask bobone on the break and tweet it for him. >>> directly ahead, it is always happy hour on "the five." is it a good idea to offer drinks to employees at work? some companies are, you can pour yourself a drink. we will discuss that when we come back! [ male announcer ] we've been conditioned to accept less and less in the name of style and sophistication. but to us, less isn't more. more is more. abundant space, available leading-edge technology, impeccable design, and more than you've come to expect from a luxury vehicle. the lexus es350 and epa-estimated 40 mpg es hybrid. this is the pursuit of perfection. ♪ can you hear it? ♪ fueling the american spirit ♪ no matter when, no matter where ♪ ♪ marathon will take you there ... you thought wrong. seize the summer with up to 50% off hotels at travelocity. vietnam in 1972. [ all ] fort benning, georgia in 1999. [ male announcer ] usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protect

bob. my next guest knows a thing or two about the u.s. debt situation. david walkerontroller general for the united states. we'll ask him about that in a moment. >> yeah. first, david is raising red flags about the new healthcare law, what we all affect natalie refer to as obamacare. he thinks cities and states could move retirees to those government exchanges that will be created through obamacare, helping their fiscal situation, but at the expense of taxpayers across america. david walker joins us now. he's now founder and ceo of comeback america initiative. david, welcome back. good to see you. >> good to be with you. >> would you blame cities and states for doing that if they can -- >> no, not at all. >> -- offload the risk? >> not at all. there are a number of risks associated with the affordable care act. one of the biggest challenges state and local governments face is retiree healthcare. and they've never had an option. now they have the option. as you know, rahm emanuel, who's the mayor of chicago and a consummate democrat, has already decided he's going to

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