>> bob woodson is not a cover.aul ryan has genuinely and earnestly wanted to find out what he can learn from somebody who has more of a ground level perspective on nongovernmental efforts to help poor people help themselves. that's what bob woodson has done all his life. he's not simply a conservative and much less a flaming right winger. he's somebody who thinks a lot of what the government does and has done has been good for poor people, retirement programs and also food stamps, eliminating hunger. so i don't know -- we don't know yet what additional proposals paul ryan is working on. there are some things coming out this summer and it just remains to be seen exactly what he's after. bob woodson himself does not know. >> michael, when you talk to, particularly african-american conservative, this is the argument they make. we have to have the outside government programs to reduce dependency. that's the culture of dependency argument that is made. paul ryan puts it, what the left is offering people is a full stomac