bob woodson, let me start with you because you're known to have paul ryan's ear and vice versa. what are the main motivating ideas behind the package, the big thurs? >> the big thrust is unfortunately in the past we have defined help to the poor by how much money we spend on services to the poor. so if you care more, you spend more. if you're harsh and cruel you spend less, and that's a false die ckocot dichotomdichotomy. paul says we must find new and innovative ways to lift people out of poverty and then measure success based upon how many fewer people need assistance versus how many people are requiring it. one other very important distinction, i think we generalize too much about it the poor. not everybody is poor for the same reasons. there are four categories. people are poor because they're just broke. they're out of work. there's been a temporary illness, a breadwinner has died. they suffered a setback. for them the character is in place, and they use assistance the way it should, as a temporary bridge over troubled times. second category are people whose character is in

taking a closer look this time on the program with bob woodson, founder and president of neighborhood enterprise, and peter adelman, faculty director on the center of equality at georgetown university law center. bob woodson, let me start with you because you're known to have paul ryan's ear and vice versa. what are the main motivating ideas behind the package, the big thurs? >> the big thrust is unfortunately in the past we have defined help to the poor by how much money we spend on services to the poor. so if you care more, you spend more. if you're harsh and cruel you spend less, and that's a false die cot kocot dichotomdichotomy. paul says we must find new and innovative ways to lift people out of poverty and then measure success based upon how many fewer people need assistance versus how many people are requiring it.

finally, bob woodson, on the far left, next to congressman ryan, founder for the center of neighborhood enterprise. bob developed and coordinated national community development programs. durk the 1970s, directed the urban league's administration justice decision. he served as a resident fellow of this institution. we're honored to have you. to start the discussion, we'll have ron go first, then stuart, then bob, then congressman ryan will respond. then i'll ask a question and we'll go up to the audience. >> i'll make four points. first, a sweeping proposal, this is worthy of a think tank. it's full of references to social science. things are justified or explained. it's a spectacular document. and i would emphasize sweeping. opportunity grants, eipc for childless workers, education at all levels, criminal sentencing and other prisoner reforms, regulatory reform and program evaluation. i've not seen anything that's from an individual member in many years introduced in congress. second point, results-driven research. so if you need to sleep, now would be the time. because people don't pay

and finally, bob woodson on the far lest, next to congressman ryan, founder and president of the center for neighborhood enterprise. [inaudible] >> bob's social activism dates back to the 1960s when he coordinated national and local community development programs and directed the national urban league's administration of justice. later he served as a resident fellow at the american enterprise institute, an alumni of this institution. welcome back. we're honored to have you to to start the discuss we'll have ron go first and then stewart and bosh, then congressman ryan will respond and then i'll ask a question. >> i'm going to make four points. first, this is sweeping proposal. this is worthy of the think tank. it's full of references to social science, things are justified. are explained. it's a spectacular document and i emphasize sweeping. opportunity grants. eitc for workers-education at all levels-criminal sentencing and other reforms. i have not seen -- this from an individual member in many years introduced in congress. second opinion, results-driven research. so, if you need to s

finally, bob woodson on the far left of founder and president of the center for neighborhood enterprise. [inaudible] >> bob social activism dates back to the 1960s when he develop and coordinate national and local community development programs. during the 1970s he directed the national urban league's administration of justice division. later he served as a resident fellow at aei and he's an alumni. welcome back, bob. we are very honored to have the. to start discussion we will have ron go first, then stuart and bob and congressman ryan will respond and then i will ask a question and we will go to the audience. go ahead. >> let me make four points. first, it's a sweeping proposal. this is worth the of the think tank. it's full of references to social science, thing she justified or explained. it's a spectacular document and i would emphasize sweeping. opportunity grants, eitc for childless workers, education at all levels, criminal sentencing and other pressure reforms, rig it for reform and program evaluation. i've not seen anything like this for many years introduced in congress. seco

and finally, bob woodson on the far left next to congressman ryan. he's founder and president of the center for neighborhood enterprise. bob's social activism dates back to the 1960s when he developed and coordinated national and community programs. and during the 1970s, he directed the national urban league's justices division. later he served as a resident fellow of the enterprise institute, so he's alumni of his father's institution. we're glad to have you. we're going to have ron go first, then stuart, then bob. then congressman ryan will respond, then i'll ask a question and we'll go to the audience. >> i want to make four points. first it's a sweeping proposal. this is worthy of a think tank. it's full of references to social science, things are justified or explained. it's a spectacular document. and i would emphasize sweeping. opportunity grants, eipc for childless workers, education at all levels, criminal sentencing and other prison reforms, regulatory reform and program evaluation. i have not seen anything like this from an individual membe

yesterday in an article, bob woodson, the president of the center for neighborhood enterprise, and i might add a mentor for chairman paul ryan, my republican colleague, he told the "wall street journal" that we cannot and should not, and this is a quote, should not generalize about poor people. there are the deserving poor and there are the undeserving poor. i ask my colleagues on the other side of the aisle in this republican majority, you tell me which are the infants and the toddlers who are the deserving poor and those infants and toddlers who are the undeserving poor. this is not right. i've always been a strong supporter of the child tax credit, research has shown that this sort of income support for parents, it boosts employment, increases earnings and income, reduces poverty and improves kids' school performance. i've worked hard to pass the expansion of the child tax credit in the recovery act. 30 seconds? mr. levin: an additional 30 seconds. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady is recognized for 30 seconds. ms. delauro: i've long called for the lowering of the eligibilit