woodward a call. he was pretty chilly on the phone. i said hi, this is bob redford calling. he said, yeah. now if i could meet and you your partner because i have this idea i want to share with you. >> woodward came to me and said that redford had called. and i put together who redford was. and was interested in talking to us or whatever. i said we're busy, we've got to do this story. >> for woodward and bernstein it wasn't only that the break-in seemed fishy. there was something just as odd about the white house response. >> presidential press secretary ron ziegler called it a third raitt burglary attempt. >> ron ziegler calling it a third-rate burglary, that was the tipoff to us. there seemed to be nothing third-rate about it except they got caught. >> they raised the stakes so high. with this third-rate burglary nonsense. it was apparent that something here was really rotten. nixon assigned his top lieutenants the president's men the task of managing the fallout from the break-in. among them chief of staff bob haldeman and presidential adviser john ehrlichman would become the guardians o

. >> rose: bob woodward -- bob woodward of the "the washington post" complimented the "new york times" as well as "the washington post" for the coverage of this story. but bob pointed out that, in terms of the russian probe, we are hardly 10% in understanding what actually happened. would you share that? >> no, i think that's true, and i think that's something that the public haas to keep in mind here. last week, mark warner, the ranking member on the senate intelligence committee, went on tv and basically said there is a lot of smoke here but we don't really have fire. so here we are session will you into the investigation and this leading democrat who's leading one of the investigations into it says there's a lot of smoke here but we haven't found actual collusion, and that's something really to keep in mind as we go forward. a collusion investigation is very difficult. it will require the f.b.i. and department of justice being on the ground in russia and doing interviews and we know that's certainly not going to happen, and even in the public sphere there's been an enormous amount

ken: bob woodward, look what bob woodward said about the way the media is acting now. where is the objectivity? i haven't seen one headline on the front page. when i read "the new york times" which is less frequent than i used, to the headlines on the front are more rather an objective statement of fact, they're subjective. maria: nasty. ken: like the editorial page. maria: you're right. what do you think is going to happen? i had ron desantis on from the freedom caucus, congressman desantis on friday, last week, he said we're going to get tax reform done. do you believe it? do you think we'll get tax reform done? and what are the implications of it. ken: they're going to claim to get tax reform done. maria: maybe tax cuts. ken: the opportunity to do something meaningful, that could be a sea change, they're going to blow it. and this is a great opportunity, and let's start with where we need to address first in my opinion, the little guy. forget about me. maria: the small business owner? ken: the small business owner. maria: and the individual. ken: the individual last

charlie: bob woodward complimented "the new york times" for their coverage of the story. b pointed out in terms of the russian probe, we are hardly 10% in understanding what happened. do you share that? >> i think that is true. i think that is something the public has to keep in mind. last week, mark warner, the ranking member on the senate intelligence committee, went on tv and said there is a lot of smoke here but we do not really have fire. here we are essentially a year into the investigation, and this leading democrat who is leaving one of the investigations into it says there is a lot of smoke but we have not found actual collusion. that is something to keep in mind as we go forward. a collision investigation is very difficult. it would require the f.b.i. and the department of justice the on the ground in russia doing interviews. we know that is certainly not going to happen. even in the public sphere, there has been an enormous amount of reporting about trump and his associates in russia. none of that public reporting has shown any type of collusion either. that is

that was president nixon's press secretary john ziegler talking about bob woodward and carl bernsteint the "washington post" with coverage of the watergate investigation. they were subsequently portrayed by robert redford and dustin hoffman in "all the president's men" which was based on their book. >> every day bob and i would go have a cup of coffee together in the morning in a little vending machine room off the newsroom. >> it sure is quiet in here. >> and on this particular day, not that long after the break-in, i put a dime in the coffee machine, which is what it cost then. and i literally felt this chill go down my neck. i mean literally, made my hair stick up, i think. and i turned to woodward and said oh my god, this president is going to be impeached. and woodward looked at me and said, "oh my god, you're right." >> that is carl bernstein in the documentary "all the president's men revisited" which includes the perspective of some people who did not live through watergate themselves like our own rachel maddow. when we come back, a journalist who covered watergate and one of

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. >> with us now is bob woodward, associate editor at "the washington post." he's no stranger to blockbuster congressional hearings. he's one of the reporters who broke the watergate story that eventually led to president nixon's resignation. b bob, welcome. >> thank you. >> this began as a probe into whether russia was colluding with members of the trump transition team. where are we on the big story? >> well, that's the question. the big story is about what russia did, and that's what's got to be investigated. and what is missing here at this point is a clear crime. what russia did in the election last year, it was a classic espionage operation. our cia used to do this decades ago. so you've got to find out who did that, was somebody in the united states, in the trump campaign or trump himself somehow, involved. that is a big task. i think we now have about 5% to 10% of the answers to the questions we need. there are so many, and so many have to do with what happened in russia. >> but that's exactly what the fbi was trying to do and tasked with. then we have

. >>> well, ahead on "cbs this morning," bob woodward, the associate editor of the "washington post," is one of the reporters who broke the story that led to richard nixon's resignation. we'll ask him about comey's testimony. >>> the government contractor charged with leaking classified government documents has been denied bail. prosecutors argued yesterday reality winner may have more stolen intelligence and could try to flee the country. they say before she left the military she inserted a hard top-secret information and they don't know what she did with it. >>> prosecutors at bill cosby's sexual assault jury trial read back. graphic testimony concerns encounters with andrea constand, the woman alleged cosby drugged and assaulted her. cosby testified he touched her. he didn't hear her say anything. i am not stopped h said. more testimony is expected to be read today. >>> the national transportation safety board is investigating a deadly church bus crash in georgia. at least one person died when a bus collided with another vehicle near atlanta yesterday afternoon. the mt. zion church

when you talk about the people who made a difference when it came to watergate you talk about bob woodwardfferent people. woodward came from the navy. he was a straight-laced guy. bernstein, on the other hand, looked like a counterculture figure himself. >> i was supposedly the terrific writer. >> he was supposedly the great persistent reporter. >> their skills complimented each other. >> they sent me to the courthouse where the five burglars caught in the democratic headquarters were being arraigned. the judge asked the leader, james mccord, where did you work and mccord went, cia. >> it was stunning. >> and they discovered that mccord, was a security chief for the committe to re-elect the president. >> well, okay, folks. >> this was a political break-in. >> there was a note book belonging to one of the burglars that had the name in it, h. hunt, w. house. we figured that w. house either had to be the white house or the whore house. the question hunt. >> i called the white house, and eventually got hunt on the phone, and asked why was your name in the address books of two of these burglars

when you talk about the people who made a difference when it came to watergate, you talk about bob woodward and carl bernstein. >> they sent me to the courthouse where the five burglars caught in the democratic headquarters were being arraigned. the judge asked the leader, james mccord, where did you work? mccord went, cia. it was stunning. >> and they discovered that mccord was a security chief for the committee to re-elect the president. well, okay, folks. this was a political break-in. >> there was a notebook belonging to one of the burglars that had the name in it, h. hunt, w. house. it turned out to be howard hunt, who had worked for the cia, who had been hired at the white house really to undertake dirty tricks. >> you knew that this smoke that was billowing up from the oval office, there had to be fire there. >> it's like the dylan song, it don't take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. >> presidential increase secretary ron zoeggeler called it a third-rate burglary attempt and said it was nothing the president would ever be concerned with. >> richard nixon is obstructing

katharine , the publisher and managing editor decided to put two young journalists in their 20's, bob woodwardnd carl bernstein on that story and not to give up on it. that sort of kept it at least in the local headlines in washington, and eventually they were able to uncover through their journalistic investigation , a much broader pattern of wrongdoing. host: over time that led to a special investigation, and we have an archive tape of then-president nixon talking about all of this. i as the new attorney general have today named elliot richardson, a man of unimpeachable integrity and rigorously high principle. i have directed him to do ensureing necessary to that the department of justice has the confidence and the trust of every law-abiding person in this country. i have given him absolute authority to make all decisions bearing upon the prosecution of the watergate case, and related matters. i have instructed him that if he appropriate, he has the authority to name a special supervising prosecutor for matters arising out of the case. whatever may appear to have been the case before, whatev

ordinarily, if you want to know what's going on inside the west wing, you wait a couple of years for bob woodward for somebody to write their memoir and say, oh, my gosh, that's what was really going on. currently, we're finding this out in real time. we know steve bannon and jared kushner don't like each other. we know donald trump is talking to people about whether he should get rid of his chief of staff, reince priebus, all of it plain out in politico and in our competitors in realtime. why? because the west wing is dominated by factions and insecured people who are worried what their adversaries are saying about them and above all dominated by a president who is obsessed with press coverage. so a lot of people know if they want to get a word to the boss, the media is one way to do it. so simultaneously, as people are tell us -- they think it's funny. ( laughter ) as people are throwing up walls for the press, some of these same people are actually among our best sources, tell us what's happening in the west wing. >> trevor: here's a question i have, though. when you look at the factions that

but i met bob woodward and he just came out with "all the presidents men."sudden, at 30 years of age, he was getting quite wealthy. and we had breakfast or lunch over at the madison hotel and he said, what do i do with the money? i said, "investing is just about assigning yourself the right story." i said, imagine if ben bradley this morning said to you, what is the washington post company worth? what would you do if you have to write this story in a month? you would go out and interview tv brokers and newspaper brokers and assign value to each asset. i said, that is what i do, i assign myself the right story. it is nothing more than that. now, there are some stories i can't write. if you asked me to write a story on what is some glamorous, non-profit-making business worth, i do not know how to write the story. but if you ask me to write a story about what is potomac electric power worth, or something like that, i can write the story. that is what i am doing every day. i am assigning myself a story, and then i go out. david: so you get the annual reports and

i know all the credit goes to bob woodward and carl bernstein. very little credit or fame ever goes to the whistleblower niksch this case, mark felt. and when the nixon white house was first dealing with the problem that there were serious leaks that had to come from the top -- the united states is the ship of state that leaks from the top, not from the bottom. haldeman new it was mark felts. he told richmond nixon, i think it's mark felt the fbi. the deputy the fbi. and nixon's first response was his jewish? and haldeman wants no, i think these catholic. i don't know what either one would have to do with it but the role of mark felt in the case of watergate is extremely significant. when i think of vietnam dish don't know what the first thought that comes to your mind is -- it's the pentagon papers and when i think of the pentagon papers i think of daniel elseburg and the work that daniel elsberg did in the 1970 and continues to do, including writing a very nice blush for the book that i'm very proud of and in june i'm going to appear with danie

know all this stuff and used to give throat carl was deep throat and this story that john i mean bob woodward made up with no more than just a story i knew woodward and bernstein to call. pretty interesting stuff with how. interconnected he was with all these important figures in u.s. history especially during watergate in the seventy's and what you're saying seems very broken up about what happened. people that. targeting. coming out after talking to them and looking at his book you know who really was because he kind of alludes to the fact of the you know the deep throat mark felt that we know wasn't really the deep throat or really was really behind according to my right. you know. it's a long interview people should watch the entire thing if it requires a lot of thought because in the day we know that the right wing was very paranoid but nixon in a sense that he was making the time with the russians we also know that there is you know obviously the democratic faction that hated nixon and then there's this basic question of did the conspiracy of nixon's desire to put these make it a branch

. >>> bob woodward is an editor with the "washington post." e's no stranger. he's one of the reporters who broke the watergate story that led to the resignation of president nixon. good morning. welcome. >> thank you. >> this began as a probe into whether russia was colluding with the trump transition team. where are we on the big story? >> that is the question. the big story is about what russia did. that's what's got to be investigated and what's missing here at this point is a clear crime. what bob did in the election last year, it was a classic espionage operation. our cia used to do this decades ago. and so you've got to find out who did that, was somebody in the united states in the trump campaign or trump himself shom involved. that's a big task. we have 5% to 10% of the answers. >> 5% -- >> so many and so many have to do with russia. >> that's exactly what the fbi was trying to do and cast with. and then we have the man who's been in charge of this independent agency saying before the world it's my judgment i was fired because of the russia investigati

these are not leaks from political appointees, defined in the base of of bob woodward book. these are strategic leaks, the release of classified intelligence from people whose job it is to collect and safeguard that intelligence and in that way it's an honor perversion of the system. we give power to the intelligence agencies. we let them listen to our phone calls, water emails, water from -- and watch us from satellites. we let them do that so that they can keep a safe. not so that they can pick our policy leaders. in democracy, we are in charge, not them, not unelected bureaucrats. that's changing, and we ought to be concerned about it. congress isn't worried, because a lot of people would rather have the policies they prefer than a constitutional government. they don't like trump so they don't mind the system is collapsing. it's worse than immoral. it's a mistake. once they shove aside unelected government, they can do it again. at that point democracy is over. edhenry was watching the hearings and joins us with an update. >> jeff sessions came out swinging. some were won

these are not leaks from political appointees, defined in the base of of bob woodward book. these are strategic leaks, the release of classified intelligence from people whose job it is to collect and safeguard that intelligence and in that way it's an honor perversion of the system. we give power to the intelligence agencies. we let them listen to our phone calls, water emails, water from -- and watch us from satellites. we let them do that so that they can keep a safe. not so that they can pick our policy leaders. in democracy, we are in charge, not them, not unelected bureaucrats. that's changing, and we ought to be concerned about it. congress isn't worried, because a lot of people would rather have the policies they prefer than a constitutional government. they don't like trump so they don't mind the system is collapsing. it's worse than immoral. it's a mistake. once they shove aside unelected government, they can do it again. at that point democracy is over. edhenry was watching the hearings and joins us with an update. >> jeff sessions came out swinging. some were won

. >> dana: do you believe his credibility was advanced, do you agree with bob woodward? juan: he was honest, very straightforward. he didn't need to be -- >> kimberly: well, he was under oath. >> juan: this all came about because the president of the united states was going after him on twitter. he's making suggestions that there are tapes. comey better hope there -- all this kind of stop and then -- >> greg: that timing is in question but -- >> juan: it came from the deputy attorney general, oh, no, the fbi was just out of control and comey is a bad guy. oh, my gosh. and then he said it's the russia thing. that's the reason i fired him. comey had a reason to say hey, let's get this on the record and if there's tapes, let's hope so. if there's work product, those tapes would be work product. or it's a big bluff by the big bluffer. >> greg: can i respond? number one, about the russia thing, what trump is talking about is come out and say i am not being investigated on the dossier or whatever because that's what you said and you are not saying it. i am meeting with you and

bob woodward of the "washington post", fox news national security correspondent jennifer griffin.onnell's former chief of staff. and the republican strategists. let's start with this question. there down five, they cannot afford to lose more than two. maybe others waiting in the wings who may oppose the measure.what are the chances, michael? >> it will be very tight as you mention. probably seven or nine senators who have concerns. i'm optimistic but i think the different camps are looking at different parts of the bill. conservatives are looking at what's going on with regulation. the ability to bring in premiums. some moderates are looking at medicaid expansion. and in a negotiating situation when people want different things change there is an optimal. there is an outcome where people can, the presence of his money may be not like the bill but like it. >> i think was notable that the president reached out to senator joe manchin iii of west virginia. a democrat. it is clear they are concerned about the five and they do not believe that they can change senator rand paul's mind fo

this time when we reference watergate so constantly, you wonder how things would have gone for bob woodwardob bernstein. >> i totally agree. that was so limited. you pick up any piece of journal, anything now and it's just filled with anonymous sources. national security with the government is doing just horrible things. whistle blowers. i think it's a little bit beyond that. >> how deeply do you think they are buying into this deep state mind of thinking in the white house? it seems to inform everything they do. they actually believe that not only is it the press that's out to get them but members of his own government. >> they're not necessarily wrong about that. if you attack the fbi and the cia to the extent that donald trump has, they're going to be gunning for you in the agencies. steve bannon unveiled this idea of the deep state at c pac. it's now one of their talking points. the only way we can have knowledge about not just the administration but the deep state is with reporting. that reporting will often require anonymous sources even if it's over used. it's essential. >> i think o

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when you talk about the people who made a difference when it came to watergate, you talk about bob woodwarddquarters were being arraigned. the judge asked the leader, james mccord, where did you work? mccord went, cia. it was stunning. >> and they discovered that mccord was a security chief for the committee to re-elect the president. well, okay, folks. this was a political break-in. >> there was a notebook belonging to one of the burglars that had the name in it, h. hunt, w. house. it turned out to be howard hunt, who had worked for the cia, who had been hired at the white house really to undertake dirty tricks. >> you knew that this smoke that was billowing up from the oval office, there had to be fire there. >> it's like the dylan song, it don't take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. >> presidential increase secretary ron zoeggeler called it a third-rate burglary attempt and said it was nothing the president would ever be concerned with. >> richard nixon is obstructing justice from the begin. what would be known as the smoking gun was when he approves a plan to use the cia t

buckley points out that bob woodward were there. this is a very public place. so to have some sort of private conversation in a conspiracy, that would hardly be the place to do it. it makes no sense on the tace of it. >> clearly he does not seemeger to go into a classified briefing to answer more questions. is there anything more the senators can do? >> if i was the democrats on the committee i'd have two things i'd be trying to pursue. number one going to senator burr, the and saying we need to change the process by which we're bringing the administration witnesses to capitol hill. by now these have been voluntary, they've agreed voluntarily to come to the hill and testify. if you have a subpoena issued, you have the possibility of a contempt of congress situation hanging over the heads of witnesses. >> if you're saying -- >> correct. >> absent an invocation, there's no legal basis for these administration officials to be refusing to answer questions. members of both parties should be taking the issue seriously. but if you issue subpoenas, you can dangthal thr

word actually was aboard one of these ships where the president was evacuated it would have been bob woodward's sitting on the ship ready to receive though launched orders for nuclear war. said the rebuilt the huge helicopter fleets and airborne command post where there was one of the planes in the air 24 hours a day february 1962 through the early 1990's almost 30 years there were constantly flying with a one star general whose sole job was to be the last living person in the united states jean of command ready to launch a retaliatory strike if everybody was destroyed. so we have told whole fleet of national airborne command post that there is one president -- plane shuddering president trump right now pretty close to the airfield where ever air force one is part one of these planes is ready to evacuate the president and will keep him three days flying to go anywhere on the planet if he is here in washington there is one on the runway in omaha nebraska 24 hours a day with everyone from the emergency launch officers to read urologist -- we urologist to launch and then it gets weirder and weirde

buckley points out that bob woodward was there, there were reporters. this was a very public place, so to have some sort of private conversation in a conspiracy that would hardly be the place to do it. it makes no sense on the face of it. >> brian, after the -- sessions testified today, he clearly does not seem eager to go into a classified briefing to answer more questions about this. is there anything more the senators can do? >> if i were the democrats on this committee, mark warner who is the ranking democrat on the intelligence committee, i'd have two things i'd be following up on. i'd go to my republican counterpart, senator burr, and saying we need to change the process in which we're bringing witnesses to capitol hill. up until now they have been voluntary appearances to come up to the hill and testify. i think they need to think about issuing subpoenas. if you have a subpoena issued you have a possibility of contempt of congress situation hanging over the heads of these witnesses. >> you're saying if executive privilege isn't invoked and yet th

moment ago where fairly early on in their investigation when he was having a cup of coffee with bob woodwarddent is going to be impeached that was the reporter's gut. that wasn't based on the information he had at this point. when was that -- when did that happen for you? and when did it happen for most reporters covering the story? >> the first reaction which i thought was what carl was talking about what was this weird thing? it was buried in "the washington post," the first story. nobody knew what it was. a lot of people didn't even notice it. somebody was caught burgling the democratic national committee. we thought well, what's that about? it might be about something big. but it didn't really break into a widely accepted idea that there might be impeachment because impeachment, there hadn't been any since andrew johnson after the civil war. so that didn't really happen until after that famous saturday night massacre when nixon wanted to get -- fire his special prosecutor. notice that donald has made the same mistake. and then the word "impeachment" really did come into the vocabulary. a

but what carl bernstein and bob woodward's job been how much harder would it have been if they didn't have mark felt nearly 50 years ago. >> fair point. megan, i want to ask you about jared kushner. people are making a very big deal, further investigations into jared's businesses, i kind of think, of course, they will investigate jared's businesses. he's a business guy. his lawyer has said from the beginning, jared's willing to speak. are we drumming up too much around why are they looking at jared's businesses? it kind of makes perfect sense. >> i think we're drumming up about two of these things, mike pence taking on a lawyer, jared kushner's businesses and donald trump being looked at for obstruction. in isolation they make for front pages and drum beat and problems but none of this is surprising, you know this, myself as a former lawyer, these are all obvious issues that have come up during the course of this presidency. they come up -- they consistently come up as a specter of this investigation, hangs over them, and widens. one thing that hans said that i think is really importa

bob woodward recognizes this. he in fact just blasted the media saying, and i'm going to quote here, tone matters. headlines matter. you want people to trust you, i think kind of a brief, deeply fair-mindedness is essential. you know, he is basically here saying that this is not okay for members of the media to be as aggressive as they have been, this is sort of really flippant attitude. >> not just in morning banter. i would, i would apply the same criticism to in general, the media coverage of the debate over the senate and house health bills. i haven't heard media remind viewers even once, that anyone who is currently on medicaid is grandfathered in. instead they repeat again and again the, what the critics of the medicaid reform say, claiming that people are going to lose their health care and maybe their lives. they're ramping up criticism and fear rather than reporting accurately. trish: so, you know, woodward is making this point basically where, ford, that the american media has now lost the trust of every

one of the presidential command ships where it'd the president been evacuated it would have been bob woodward sitting there on the ship -- you know ready to receive the launch orders. for nuclear war aboard uss wright. or the uss northampton and then, you know, we built these huge helicopter fleets and airborne command posts called looking glass where there was one of these planes that was in the air 24 hours a day from february 1962 until the early 1990s. you know, for almost 40 or almost 30 years these planes were constantly flying above the planes with one star is general who soul job was to be these last living person in the u.s. chain of command ready to launch retaliatory strike if everyone on the surface of the planet was destroyed. and we have this whole fleet of presidential doomsday plane that national emergency air airborne command post that still exist today. there is one of these planes shadowing president trump in the middle east right now. somewhere pretty close to where the -- pretty close to the airfield wherever air force one is parked at this exact moment one of the planes