bush submitted to interviews with bob woodward and then bob woodward made president bush look like andiot according to donald trump who never gave the slightest hint that he had read a single word of any of bob woodward's previous 19 books. at the end of one of their last phone conversations, president trump said, hey, bob, could i call you later so i can get to these generals to make sure everything is good i said i still wanted to push on some of these questions. i don't mind, he said. i hope you're truthful if you're truthful, you're going to write a good book, an if you're not truthful, you're going to hit me. three days later on june 22nd of this year, after bob woodward had already completed a first draft of this book, president trump called again at 8:15 p.m during that phone call melania trump enters the room and the president says honey, i'm talkin to bob woodward and said that bob woodward was writing a book about him. and then he said, it will probably be atrocious, but that's okay. donald trump's obsession with the book constantly recurs throughout the interviews for the b

i appreciate it. >> happy to do it. >> so, some big breaking news in his upcoming book, bob woodward reports that president trump understood the serious risk posed by the novel coronavirus in early february. take a listen to what the president told woodward february 7th. >> you just breathe the air and that's how it's passed. and so that's a very tricky one. that's a very delicate one. it's also more deadly than even your strenuous flus. this is deadly stuff. >> as you know, the president spent much of february and even march downplaying the risks of the novel coronavirus saying it would disappear, saying the heat would make it go away. what's your response to this news about what he was telling bob woodward on february 7th? >> it's disgusting. we learned this on a day that 190,000 americans were dead and he knew this. i understood he had just gotten off the phone when he did the first interview with woodward, he had just gotten off the phone with xi jinping where he was praising xi jinping about transparency and this is going to go away like a miracle. what in god's name would a man

for bob woodward's new book entitled "rage," donald trump submitted 18 taped interviews with woodward. he never gives up on a possible source, especially if that source is the president of the united states and bob woodward is our greatest expert at coaxing information out of people who work in the white house, including the president woodward gets inside the white house and he doesn't know what he's going to find but he brings enough patience and rope for his interview subjects to hang them or save themselves many people would feel rage when they read this book and see that thousands of lives could have been saved if donald trump were to publicly tell the truth of coronavirus. one of the people already who feels donald trump is the cause of her father's death will join us before her father died, his only pre-existing condition was believing donald trump tonight, she can see for the first time in bob woodward's reporting how deliberate donald trump's deception of her father and that led to her father's death. the story he tells is a human story of life and death in the age of donald t

why did he talk to bob woodward is what people are asking. this is woodward's second book about this white house, he wrote another in 2018 at the time the white house was reeling after a couple tell-all books. they decided it was best if the president did not cooperate with bob woodward for that book. kellyanne conway is on record saying she advised against it. when the book came out and painted an unflattering picture of donald trump, he was ensensed. and vowed at that moment if woodward were to write another book he wanted to be part of it because he believed he could shape a far more positive portrayal. he believed that the solution to any problem is more trump. he wanted to insert himself in the process. so he gave woodward extraordinary access, over a dozen interviews, hours of interviews, many without white house aides knowing about it. this is what was revealed, pulled back the curtain and what he knew back then. we're in a moment now where every time there's a crisis or political scandal involving president trump there is a sense, the

that's what bob woodward lays out in this book. what we know is from woodward's dh account on january 28th security adviser robert o'brien tells him in a tough secret briefing this is going to be the greatest threat of your presidency. at the same time, the president is, as you said, playing it down. but what woodward did with the president's permission was, he recorded all of these interviews. there are 18 wide-ranging interviews. and what we're going to play you first is the president in his own words, february 7th, telling woodward in striking detail just how much he understands about how deadly and dangerous the virus is. >> and so what was president xi saying yesterday? >> we were talking mostly about the -- the virus, and i think he's going to have it in good shape, but you know, it's a very tricky situation. it goes through air, bob. that's always tougher than the touch. you know? the touch you don't have to touch things. right? but the air, you just breathe the air. that's how it's -- passed. and so that's a very tricky one.

bob woodward has never seen anything like it. he has seen every president since richard nixon in a way that no one else in american history has seen so many presidents. bob woodward has gotten inside of every white house since the nixon white house and seen the president in action through the words of the people working most closely with that president and sometimes through the words of that president himself in interviews with bob woodward for his now 19 books. most of them about the closed door deliberations of nine presidents in a row. in his new book "rage," bob woodward begins with a description of donald trump being told how deadly the coronavirus could be in a white house meeting on january 28th. the state of the union address was on february 4th, just days after the president was told how deadly the coronavirus would be and how it would be the most difficult challenge his presidency had faced. >> he gave his state of the union address to congress, 40 million people watched it. he had an opportunity -- he's a very kind of

that's really, erin, the primary reason why the president sat down with bob woodward. he thought he could outmaneuver him. he thought the book could make him look better than the last woodward book. that's why he wanted to cooperate with this book because he did not last time around. now he's on tape saying he did intentionally down play the pandemic and knew it was an airborne disease primarily yet held six rallies after he made those comments indoors before masks were even close to being a thing here in the united states. so, what's the white house is dealing with now, the blame over who it was that let the president sit down with woodward this many times, say this kind of stuff on the record with a familiared author who, of course, is known to chronicle white houses and bad decisions that they have made. that is the blame going around inside the west wing now. i think what's ultimately important to remember is it was the president who made this decision to sit down with bob woodward and to make these comments and there was no really stopping from him on any of those

and -- and -- i mean, if he is willing just to tell bob woodward that, to suck up to bob woodward ing, who knows what he said to kim jong un and vladimir putin, when no one else was in the room and he wanted to impress them. >> you know, it's an interesting point because these 18 interviews happened, two were in the oval office. one was at mar-a-lago. but the rest were phone calls from the residence, late at night. sometimes, trump would unexpectedly call woodward at night. normally, the white house, in a normal white house, tape records interviews with reporters. i have a feeling that the white house does not know a lot of what president trump said in these interviews to bob woodward. >> woodward, also, reports on what an aide to general mattis heard the president say in the oval office about military generals. >> so, just to stress, this aide is named. he's on the record. he's -- he was working for general mattis. he was at a meeting in the oval office about a trade deal. and just to tell you, what he said he heard was he goes to general mattis, and he says the president said my f'

it's about what the president said to bob woodward.john kennedy of louisiana, thanks so much for coming on. nice talking with you. >> thank you, pamela. >>> well, tune in this evening to cnn tonight when former attorney friend and fixer turned trump foe michael cohen joins cnn's don lemon to talk about his new tell-all book. that is live on cnn tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern. >>> well, the president is on tape saying the coronavirus is worse than the flu, but in public he had a very different response when cnn's dr. sanjay gupta asked him about it. that's up next. at cancer treatment centers of america, treating cancer isn't just what we do, it's all we do. and now, we're able to treat more patients because we're in-network with even more major insurance plans. so, if you've been turned down before, call us now. ♪ take the good, with the bad ♪ live the life you want to have♪ ♪ send it off, with a bang ♪ ♪ whistling we have different needs.y. ♪ but one thing we share is wanting to make our lives the best they can be. if you have medicare

read what woodward wrote about his son if it was critical. >> i have some major differences with bob woodwardere's no point in going into them, but i don't -- we're not on close terms at all. >> reporter: trump himself is quoted in woodward's book as saying "i hope you treat me better than bush because you made him look like a stupid m e mor moron, which he was." richard nixon and gerald ford are not believed to have spoken with woodward. why did presidents agree to speak with woodward? some call it the woodward mistake. >> the ability he has to get presidents to talk, and does it by saying, i've talked to everybody else in your administration but you, is unnerving. >> reporter: veteran journalists say woodward often speaks to scores of people inside administrations before asking a president for an interview, and his sources are impeccable. we asked susan glasser, a former editor for woodward at "the washington post," what makes a washington insider decide whether to talk to woodward or not. >> those who cooperate with woodward generally do have a better chance to get their story out. but if

why would he give these 18 hours to bob woodward? they were also calling it a political hit job. basically what woodward did was provide a transcription service. it's an audio recording session basically from bob woodward, but what can he say on fox today or what's the plan? >> well, i think the president is coming out, you know he's say -- last night he said i gave him some quotes that's not what he gave bob woodward. he gave him 18 interviews, extensive quotes, he's on the record calling him with his thoughts late at night. these are not interviews -- typically if you're a president and sitting down for an interview for -- for a book about you, it would be highly coordinated. you'd probably be in the oval office. you'd have half a dozen staff, minimum, in the room. you talk about what you're going to say before hand they probably go off the record at some point. that's not what happened here. there were other staffers in the room, they were in the oval office to sit down with woodward who was at the white house a few times and at mar-a-lago, but the audio you're hearing is where

i want to get your reaction from this truly bombshell reporting from bob woodward. ent continues to defend his decision to downplay the threat of the virus to the american people. he actually is now going so far as to assert that woodward, not he, that woodward should have warned the american public about the dangers if he thought they were a big deal. what do you say to that? >> it's the president's responsibility. he can't foist it off on anyone else. the president knew that this virus was deadly. he knew that the virus could be transmitted through the air, was highly communicable through the air. and he lied to the public about it. and he lied to the public about it because he thought it would be harmful to his reelection campaign. that is unforgivable. literally, the blood of tens of thousands of americans, maybe over 100, now 190,000 americans, are on the president's hands for that callous judgment he made to deceive the american people. and there's no foisting that off on anyone else, notwithstanding his repeated claims of "i take no responsibility." the buck d

and because bob woodward has tapes of donald trump, donald trump cannot claim that bob woodward is misquoting him or making up quotes and attributes them to him. so this morning on fox, donald trump decided his very best defense against the bob woodward book is to call it boring now, thousands of people all over the country tonight already have purchased this book, it went on sale today they have it at home and they know that the one word you cannot apply to "rage" is boring you have to be very careful when you choose to pick up this book, because you won't be able to put it down. so make sure you have enough time before you start reading about relentless dysfunction of the trump white house, what bob woodward's former reporting partner carl bernstein called the president's homicidal failure to tell the american people the truth about the coronavirus. the pained resignations of trump cabinet members who believe they were protecting the country and the world from donald trump. what donald trump thinks about on golf courses. what dr. anthony fauci thinks about donald trump and what donald trump

because he told bob woodward that, a month before. he, also, knew elderly people aren't the only ones at risk. young people get sick, too. >> now, it's turning out, it's not just old people, bob. just today and yesterday, some startling facts came out. it's not just old, older people. to plenty of young people. >> you saw the date there, up on your screen. that was march 19th. he knew young people could get it and die from it. and he said so, in private. but, here's in public. >> and now, we know it's the elderly. it's especially elderly, if they have heart, diabetes, or if they have problems. and we're watching it and we're watching it very closely. going forward, we must continue to remain vigilant in shielding our elderly, and those with underlying conditions. >> we also strongly urge citizens to take extra precautions to shield those at highest risk, which are, in most cases, in many cases, the elderly. especially, the elderly with medical problems, such as heart or diabetes. >> hmm. he knew it wasn't just the elderly. said so in p

the president went as far as discussing a secret nuclear weapon system with bob woodward. >> and it doese true. woodward then went to other sources and confirmed it. but just to put it in perspective, we have audio from that interview which we're going to play. i think it's worth knowing this is the very first interview that the president does with bob woodward. i think he was trying to impress him perhaps. but let's just put in this perspective. the president wasn't willing to level with the american public about covid, but he was willing to tell bob woodward about a new secret nuclear weapon system that he really shouldn't have been telling him about. here is the interview. >> but i have built a weapon system, weapons system that nobody has ever had in this country before. we have stuff that you haven't even seen or heard about. we have stuff that putin and xi have never heard about before. there is nobody what we have is incredible. >> and to your point, anderson, they've now heard about it. >> yeah, and if he's willing to tell bob woodward that to suck up to bob woodward in their fir

however several journalist and pendants posting on twitter tha bob woodward has blood on his hands ands complicit in the deaths of americans by not revealing that important information sooner. this piece in esquire, quote woodward need the truth which kind the deadly bungling and worse, he saved it for his book which will be released to wild acclaim in huge profit both donald trump and bob woodward shirk their responsibilities of their respective occupations an eventually hundreds of thousand of americans may be dead in par because they did. to rpm all now. david, i come to you first. >> harris, this is just another opportunity for the democrats t sit in a projectile and foam at the mouth that donald trump has done something wrong with the coronavirus. is this the week that doctor fauci is a famed jim fenn gentleman on a pandemic and should be listen to, or he is h a trump stooge because he sayin that the president by and large followed the guidelines that they allowed. as we get closer to the election , this is really the bigger point, harris, as we get closer to the election, you wan

according to veteran journalist bob woodward. bottom line here is the president by his own admission in private on the record acknowledged the depth of this crisis yet told the american people something very different. how is that it at its core not an abject betrayal of public trust? >> the presidents always clear with the american people about the lives he could lose. from this podium acknowledged it was serious bab in march, 100,000, 200,000 links could be lost. with regard to dr. fauci you're referring to a quote he allegedly told bob woodward. i can give you quotes played on loop saying his response was impressive and can't imagine anyone doing anything better. dr. fauci saying i can tell you the president, first and only time i said do mitigation strongly, responsibilities was, yes, we will do it it. and then bent e went with dr. birx, 15 days nor enough. go to 30 day. a lot of people with problems with that because of potential secondary effects. nonetheless, the president went with the health recommendationses. long list

the bottom line is, blaming bob woodward is not going to work. bob woodward isn't the president. donald trump is the one we now know absorbed this information, was given this information, did not pass it on to the american people. instead did the opposite. instead of going out and telling people in february, hey, this is airborne, the president held rallies with thousands of people, did not recommend people wear a mask for several months and put american lives at risk by taking those actions and not taking other actions. at the end of the day it lies with donald trump. he only took three questions from reporters. that gives you an indication he wanted to defend what it was he told bob woodward. >> all right. gloria, dana, sanjay, thank you so much. >>> coming up next, more of our interview with joe biden. plus what does joe biden have to say about his appeal or lack thereof to blue collar workers. he addressed questions about his health and age as well. all that ahead. it's my 4:10 no-excuses-on- game-day migraine medicine. it's ubrelvy. for anytime, anywhere migraine strikes wit

and then a few days later, in early february, president trump speaks with bob woodward on the phone, on the record, and to be clear, "the washington post" through woodward has acquired tapes, tapes of president trump speaking about all of this, these interviews with woodward, and woodward has decided to publish the tapes. in this early february call, february 7, the president says, on the phone to woodward, that the virus is deadly. he repeats, it's deadly. he also says it's airborne, it's spread through the air. so he acknowledges how deep and serious the threat of the coronavirus is in early february, on tape. but it's not until weeks later, of course, as we all know, that the national shutdown of businesses really commences. and so you see through woodward's reporting an awareness on president trump's part of how serious this threat was. and he also says, in another interview in march with bob woodward, that he deliberately played down the threat of the virus. he said he wanted to avoid a panic. but he said he deliberately played it down. the rest of the book, andrea, i could go on

i think the thing that's most stunning thing about this whole thing is, 18 separate interviews bob woodward is a known commodity, like the final outcome. trump did not like the woodward's 18th book, he decided to participate extensively in this one lot of finger pointing going on right now in terms of, you know, why was the president let to do them on capitol hill, you saw a lot of members of congress saying they hadn't read it, they didn't know enough, these are the things going to the homestretch of an election, republicans don't want to have be on the ballot the president's character, if they're talking about the differences between the republicans and democrats on the issues they feel like they have a way towards wink, when it comes to whether the president is honest or not, that's not something they want to have to be talking about. >> to that point, cornell, how difficult is this for president trump and his allies to stave off because of the fact that he did 18 interviews and there are tapes of these interviews? >> well, i'm going to say something that's going to be a little bit contr

officials are now pointing fingers over who is to blame for allowing the president to talk to bob woodward. multiple sources tell us the president and his son-in-law jared kushner signed off on the interviews. kushner also spoke to woodward for the book. the president appears to only have himself to blame. as we're told he went around his own press office to speak to the legendary journalist. aides to the president had concerns and, quote, voiced them repeatedly that mr. trump should not speak to mr. woodward for this book we are told. earlier this afternoon the president tried to change the subject as he held what was a thinly disguised campaign event here at the white house where he talked about his picks for the supreme court if he wins a second term in office. the president tried to coax reporters into avoiding the woodward book but the reporters asked about the revelations anyway forcing the president to acknowledge that, yes, he did intentionally downplay the virus. wolf? >> very, very dangerous indeed. could have cost potentially thousands maybe tens of thousands of lives in the pro

quote, bob woodward had my quotes for many months. if he thought they were so bad or dangerous, why didn't he immediately report them in an effort to save lives? didn't he have an obligation to do so? you have read woodward's book. what is your take on whether that is valid? >> i'm going to give you some context, but this is classic donald trump. he has gotten caught on audiotape saying this and what is his instinct? he is going to go out and blame someone else or try to deflect or project on to someone else. here's the context. when bob woodward did that interview in february and he lays this out in great detail in the book, he said, but he was actually surprised the president even brought up coronavirus because it was a couple of days after he had been acquitted of impeachment and that's what bob woodward expected the call to be about. and then all of a sudden, out of left field, trump starts talking about coronavirus. woodward makes it clear that back then, he was -- it just wasn't on his mind. that was a problem in china. and he w

first, i want to play, again, what president trump told bob woodward. >> it goes through air, bob. that's always tougher than the touch. you know, the touch. you don't have to touch things, right? but you just breathe the air and that's how it's passed. so, that's a very tricky one. that's a very delicate one. it's also more deadly than your -- even your strenuous flus. >> okay. obviously that is not what the president told the american people at that time or for months afterwards. he repeatedly compared it to the flu. he explicitly did so in the context of telling all of us that the flu was worse. he would put out all these numbers of people that died from flu and the numbers of coronavirus. the point is he was saying it was all nothing, it will go away. the flu was worse. on top of all that, he continued to hold rallies, fully knowing it was airborne as you heard him tell mr. woodward. he did this thinking it would kill 5% of the number of people who get it. he's thinking 5% of the people that get this virus are going to die. he's holding rallies thinking 5% of people who attende

bob woodward.people consider to be the "carl bernstein" of investigative reporting. the book is called "rage." it's a follow up to 2018's "fear." and it's a prequel to 2022's "hangry." in preparation for the book, trump sat down with woodward for 19 taped interviews, and they were very revealing. not as much as chris evans, but still. for instance, back in february and march, trump was publicly comparing the virus to an average flu and saying it would go away by april, but listen to what he told woodward on february 7: >> it goes through air, bob. that's how it's passed. and so that's a very tricky one. that's a very delicate one. it's also more deadly than your- you know, your, even your strenuous flus. so this is deadly stuff. >> stephen: so donald trump knew in february that coronavirus was passed through the air, was much deadlier than the flu, then he lied about it, and 200,000 people died. so, m.a.g.a. really should stand for: "make american graves again." then in march, trump explained to wo

and former epa administrator christine whitman and let's listen to part of his explanation to bob woodward, yes, he plays it down and he plays it down repeatedly as a strategy. >> now it's turning out it is not just old people, bob, just today and yesterday, some startling facts came out, it is not just older -- >> exactly. >> plenty of young people. to be honest with you -- >> sure. i want you to be. >> i wanted to always play it down. i still like playing it down. >> yes. >> because i don't want to create a panic. >> governor whitman, it is admirable to not create a panic among citizens, however, you have to be honest with them, don't you not? don't you create coronavirus infections and perhaps deaths if you don't tell the truth about what's coming? >> absolutely. he is responsible for many of these deaths. he is responsible for the fact that our economy is tanking. he is responsible for the dislocation in schools and the fear of children and all the empty spaces at around dining room tables and the loss we have come through because you don't as a leader if you tell the american people t

so he thinks this is as wonderful thing that bob woodward wants to speak to him and he's also a con man. he believe that's he could con almost anyone. he believed he could con woodward. but the strange, bizarre element in all of this is that as he's speaking to woodward, he's revealing he doesn't believe his own con. so he knew he was lying. he knew these were lethal lies that were tantamount to homicide for tens of thousands of americans and he told woodward the whole story. this is so self destructive, so bizarre, to depraved that you really have to wonder how many screws loose this man has. >> he also, in the conversations with bob woodward, this is for you, andy, on march 19th, trump said it is not just old people, bob. just today and yesterday some startling facts came out, young people too, plenty of young people. this is a president insisting that schools should open and that college football should be played. he said that children are quote/unquote virtually immune. how do you square that with what the president said to bob woodward? >> it is really hard to explain. and i think

deliberately misled the american people about how deadly the coronavirus was when he said this to bob woodward it goes through air, bob. that's always tougher than the touch. you know the touch you don't have to touch things, right. but the air, you just breathe the air and that's how it's passed. and so that's a very tricky one. that's a very delicate one. uh, it's also more deadly

works for bob woodward. he knew he had a book coming out , so why did he hold the information? this is how you make money on the book. but weather there were official that weren't told this information, because when you look at new york, new jersey, and melissa i will come to you with this follow-up, and what happened with our nursing homes where there other people that we're not getting the total story. the president will always give the most and i would hope the best information. we're there any other calculations that needed to be made, and not just tell bob woodward the hard truth of who else was being told? >> i think it's interesting whe you look at the story, and you look at everything in hindsight and who said what and when. even if you bring just up-to-date right now, chris was talking about vice president biden walking back his mask mandate. i saw a commercial this morning where he is still pledging that he would have a mandate that everyone wear masks. i don't know when to believe what he would do

the texans for the ncfl season opener. >>> turning back to politics and the bombshell book from bob woodwardthat seems to be flying a little bit under the radar here. the president appeared to reveal to woodward that he has a new secret nuclear weapon. he tells woodward "i have built a nuclear, a weapons system that nobody's ever had in this country before. we have stuff that you haven't seen seen or heard about. we have stuff that putin and xi have never heard about before. there's nobody. what we have is incredible." "the post" says woodward talked to anonymous sources later confirmed it has a secret new weapons system but would not give details and were surprised the president talked about it the aall. our next guest has some ideas what the president may have been referring to. national security analyst and distinguished fellow at quincy center. joe, before we get to some of your thoughts on what the president may be talking about, let me get your initial reaction to the president revealing something like this, if it is true. >> if what he said is true, this is a major security breach. he

and bob woodward's new book "rage." donald trump is always the most damning witness against donald trump as he was today when he told us what he was doing last night for five hours, instead of reading the harvard school of public health's new report on the impact of coronavirus on households in major u.s. cities. the harvard report studied america's four largest cities and says half or more households in new york, los angeles, chicago and houston report facing serious financial problems during the coronavirus outbreak, with issues ranging from depleting their savings to serious problems paying rent. donald trump doesn't know that because he spent five hours last night watching fox, and three hours this morning as he does every night and every morning. when donald trump went to the white house briefing room today to try to rescue his re-election campaign from being swamped by the bob woodward book, he finally faced a first question that should have been the first question to donald trump every time he has submitted to re

>> reporter: so far he's been defending what he told bob woodward saying he did not want to cause a panic and even today asking why woodward did not release these quotes sooner if he thought we were so damaging to the president? that's about the best line of defense you've seen coming from white house aides so far. he did not know the president would have audiotapes of his quotes to bob woodward and also did not know how extensively he sat down with the famed journalist and author for the book coming up. even the vice president admitted today, brooke, he did not know the president sat down with woodward 18 times. only had seen him in the white house once or twice. and chief of staff said last night he would not have recommended the president grant that level of access to woodward. so we've seen a bit of a blame game going on at the white house yesterday and in the immediate aftermath of this book coming out, excerpts released on cnn and in the "washington post." really, ultimately the president made the decision to sit down with woodward and he is minimizing the access gave to woodward. w

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while he's responding to bob woodward's reporting from his proverbial safe space, fox news, the presidentinterview he gave 18 individual interviews for a political hit job. >> on the woodward book, on the book itself, he called. he -- i didn't participate in his last one. he does hit jobs with everybody. he even did it on obama, but -- constant hit jobs on bush, i guess they did three books, they were all terrible. i figured, you know, let's give it a big shot. i speak to him. wasn't a big deal. i speak to him. >> with the u.s. now passing 190,000 coronavirus deaths, that's the most of any country in the world, the president said this -- >> if you look at our numbers, our fatality numbers compared to other countries, we're in -- we're in really -- i mean, it's amazing what we've done. >> reminder here, the u.s. has 4% of the world's population and more than 20% of the world's coronavirus deaths. >>> meantime, democratic nominee joe biden not holding back when it comes to president trump's response to the pandemic. listen to this. >> he knew how deadly it was. it was much more deadly than

bob woodward reporting in a book. i'm not sure it would've been any different if bob woodward had released these tapes several months ago or now. the president would have still taken exception. let bob woodward respond to that and the barfing to post -- in the washington post however they want to. this talkesident, all of joe biden and nancy pelosi does not change the top politically. he is president and he is responsible for handling that. the american public are going to be voting in part on his handling of that. david: that is the question i have. how important is it to the voters and keep voters in battleground states, the women we talk about all the time in the suburbs, how important is this issue to handle the coronavirus? there been disclosures in the past for president trump that people thought would hurt him like the access hollywood tapes that did not touch him. jeanne: it did not touch him. we are hearing from the latest polls that the comments on the military not having an effect. i do not think we know wh

brian. >> reporter: bob woodward put the question bluntly to the president. investigative journalist asked trump whether the white privilege he experienced in his yoit put him in a cave, isolated him. >> it put me and i think lots of white privileged people in a cave and that we have to work our way out of that to understa understand the anger and pain particularly black people experience. >> no. you drank the kool aid. wow, listen to you. i don't feel that at all. >> reporter: trump escalated his contempt he feels for former president barack obama. i don't think he's smart, i think he's highly overrated and i don't think he's a great speaker. he wanted to refer to him by his first and middle names barack hussain but he wouldn't do that in his presence so he could be, quote, very nice. >> he started his politics on trying to delegitimize the first black president of the united states but at the end of the day it's more than just that. there is a personal angst against president obama. >> many of the president's divisive comments have been directed towards bla

you know, he called bob woodward a walk job. he called james comey a nut job. iar. so we're seeing him try to discredit woodward and then come out with this calm, that the president was just urging calm which is undermined by the fact that the president not only in that rally, he's tweeting constantly saying things like american children are going to be indoctrinated with anti-american poisonous sentiment is joe biden is elected. so there is a real struggle to find footing and there is an increasing number of people around the president who want him to stop with this, to try to push back in a less aggressive way. the president said there is a quote, i didn't lie. that's not something they like having out there from the president as a clip. so whether he can move the ball on this and try to pivot elsewhere remain toes be seen, but they're very concerned because people are voting, we're very close to the election, and any other week, like this, as we get closer, is worse for him. and one other thing they're doing is trying to preempt anything else coming out, sayi

joe biden came out swinging donald trump today over damning new revelations over bob woodward's new book, rage, about the president's disastrous handling of the coronavirus pandemic, which has killed more than 190,000 americans and sickened more than 6 million others "the washington post" published its first report on woodward's new book today in which it reveals that trump was fully aware of the seriousness of the virus as early as late january the post also published audio of a february 7th conversation between bob woodward and donald trump in which trump reveals that the situation was more desire than what he was saying publicly >> it goes through air, bob. that's always tougher than t touch. the air, you just breathe the air. that's how it's passed so that's a very tricky one. that's very delicate one it's also more deadly than your you know, even your strenuous flus >> about six weeks later as the pandemic was fully raging in the united states and the nation was starting to shut down, trump admitted to woodward a that he had tried to play down the virus. >> it's clear just from what

questions on what he knew and when he knew it on the deadly coronavirus, this auto time when a bob woodward book is coming out in a few days, all the details are out right now pay the difference in the bob woodward book is that his 18 suppose a conversations with the president were all recorded, you've been hearing some of those recordings by the fallout on all of that right now. welcome, everybody, glad to be with you. i'm neil cavuto and this is "your world." the president was maybe trying to shift attention to the supreme court possibilities if he were reelected but immediately the questions came down to what's in that bob woodward book and whether he was downplaying the severity of covid-19 as early as february 7th when he was saying that this is deadly stuff, you just breathe the air and that is how it's passed. so this is a very tricky one, this is a very delicate one. it is also more strenuous, the president said, and more deadly than even your strenuous flu. he went on to say a little bit more, about a month later on march 9th after saying on twitter that the virus was not going to

it will disappear. >> a couple weeks later, he's back on the phone with bob woodward, not only talking more about how covid is super serious but admitting to woodward skplisicily he likes to play down its seriousness in public. >> now it's turning out it's not just old people, bob. just today and yesterday, some startling facts came out. it's not just older. i wanted to always play it down. i still like playing it down because i don't want to create a panic. >> i wanted to always play it down. i still like playing it down. that was march. and, boy, the president sure did keep on playing it down. not that serious. it's going away. now we know that in april he was saying to bob woodward, quote, it's a horrible thing, it's unbelievable, quote, it's so easily transmittable, you wouldn't even believe it. meanwhile he's going on attack to reduce transmission among other things, wearing masks, deriding that, making fun of that. try to imagine learning something worse about the way a world leader dealt with coronavirus. this is kind of the worst thing you can imagine. not being confused, being

president trump is calling bob woodward's new book a political hit job. but woodward says that the president granted him 18 on the record interviews and there are tapes. >> president trump telling author bob woodward he understood the severity of the coronavirus early on but had a reason to say publicly that it was under control. >> i think, to be honest i wanted to always play it down. i still like playing it down because i don't want to create a panic. >> his new book shows the president realizing covid-19 was more dangerous than the common seasonal flu. >> is a very tricky situation. it goes through air, bob, that's always tougher than the touch. the touch things, but the air, you just breathe the air, that's how it's past. so that's a very tricky one. that's a very delicate one. it's also more deadly than your -- you know, then even your strenuous flus. >> people don't realize we lose 25,000, 35 euros -- >> this is more deadly, 5% versus 1% and less than 1%, so this is deadly stuff. >> but publicly president trump ejected an air of calm, saying things

reporter: bob woodward is not the president.resident trump: only people think it was bad because the fake news media because they take it to try to put it a certain way. if bob woodward thought it was bad he should have immediately gone out publicly not wait four months. he had that statement maybe four months, maybe five months. he has had it for a long time. lou: you may be amongst those asking right now why in the world would the president waste his time with bob woodward when you know what you're going to get? well apparently senator lindsey graham was amongst those who recommended the president talk with woodward despite woodward's history, graham telling "the daily beast" this, quote. the last book woodward wrote trump said he didn't know that he had wanted to be interviewed. so i said, well, the guy's a well-known presidential author. you know you got a chance to tell your side of the story. the president agreed and there you go. end quote. just as an aside here, i think only that needs to go is lindsey graham. he is, wit

bob woodward's new book claiming the up knew the virus was deadly. the white house said the president never lied about the virus. here's part of the comment that everybody is reacting to today. >> it goes through air, bob. that's always tough. the touch, you don't have to tough things. but the air, you just breathe the air. that's how it's passed. so that's a very tricky one, a delicate one. it's also more deadly than your -- you know, even your strenuous flus. people don't realize, we lose 25, 30,000 people here. >> bill: the battle for swing states front and center. the campaigns focused on voters in michigan and pennsylvania. two states the president won narrowly in 2016. mike pence speaks north of pittsburgh p.a. and joe biden is in michigan sounding off on trump saying that he knowingly lied about the virus for months. we have team fox coverage with martha maccallum and jacqui heinrich in delaware, kristin fisher kicks off the news from the north lawn at the white house. kristin. >> hey, bill. we're talking and 18 on-the-record interviews that p

bob woodward is 77 years old. he may have been saying, look, i have done all these interviews and i'm entitled to give my opinion. does it ayou how the president's supporters -- allow the president's supporters to agree with him, that the book ultimately is a political hit job. >> that definitely makes it easier. rather than doing fact a, b and c, he gives an opinion about whether the president deserves the job and then you start to say okay, maybe there were embargoes, what was going on. if woodward is joining the resistance in his own mind, holding off on some of this information and detonating it sort of as a september surprise, of course the president -- this is self inflicted for him in some ways, certainly but the timing of it and the withholding of the information if he thought lives were at stake back then, i think that is a legitimate and fair thing to raise. howie: it is largely a book of reporting. by the way, the president tweeted rapidly fading bob woodward and his boring book, but later said he hasn'

and i think that's what drew him to bob woodward. you know, at one point in the book, you know, he brags to melania that he's talking to the famous bob woodward. he basks in the spotlight even if the spotlight is bob woodward's torch that is lighting a bonfire beneath his feet. he doesn't really care if he's self-immolating as long as people are paying attention. >> and, tim, while i have you, take on the point jonathan just made, that, you know, it was just days ago his comments about the military came out in "atlantic" and elsewhere. it was just yesterday we learned that, in fact, the president knew the truth but told the public something else. you hear in the media, you hear especially on the left, oh, this will be the thing. this will be the one that gets him. is that a possibility to you? what would you counsel the people saying that? >> well, you know, i think -- i think the pandemic as a whole has caught donald trump. i think the economic downturn as a whole has caught donald trump. he can't spin that he was trying to calm the