bob woodward, author of the new, best-seller, "rage." ter for "the washington post," carl bernstein. bob, when you look at how republicans now continue to entertain president trump's lies and conspiracies, and baseless claims of voter fraud and election fraud. what does it tell you about the grip this president will have on the republican party, for the next four years? >> well, we -- at least, for the next 50 days, it's going to be rather absolute. i think it's shameful, quite frankly, the way the republicans have just kowtowed to this. now, trump, clearly, is a political force. those 74 million people who voted for him. it -- it's amazing. but this, i think, after january 20th, will start to crack. and i know, as carl knows, privately, lots of these senators will just say they want to get trump out of there. they want to move on, and they're keeping their fingers crossed. >> carl, can they move on? i mean, if he is threatening to run again and holding that over the head of all these republicans, who -- many of whom, themselves, want to

not only that covid was deadly but that it was airborne and that trump would actually call up bob woodward -- remember, he called woodward. >> right. >> and said, oh, i got to tell you this. this thing is deadly. and then he turned around and went to rally after rally maskless, the fact he ripped off his mask after having covid, setting that poor example. the fact that he has sat back and done nothing but golf while 330-plus-thousand americans have died. rev, you and i are both new yorkers. i'm still shaken by 9/11. the death toll gives me nightmares. the idea we're having that a day and it's nothing to an entire political party. >> outrageous. >> this death toll keeps me up at night. i can't take it. you and i and ali and we report on these shows all the time. i don't know how we even do it. it's hard and people are suffering and dying. and the fact that man knew he could have saved lives and he didn't do it, it is the crime of the century. >> he called woodward and volunteered that he knew in late january -- >> yes. >> -- and knew he was being recorded. woodward said okay, he knew he was

the slam-dunk meeting that bob woodward made famous. oodward have great deal of respecbut in this case he got the meeting wrong. bush on the fence wondering whether or not it made sense to go twar with a country that might not have w and cia directors saying are you kidding, sir, it's a slam dunk that heoes, it's not what happened at all. bush lisned to what he thought was an overwhelming presentation about saddam's program by the cia and basically said i'm not impressed with this. can we do a better job of selling this because in a few weeks i' probably going to have to ask americans, ask parents to send their children off toar and i want them to know that we have aore rock solid case. let's get people from madison avenue, let's get lawyers. this is notes taken a the meeting. this isn't a hearsay testimonial. this i a president in other words who was pretty damn sure that saddam has wmd, isn't asking any questions, wait a minute, would this mean that saddam doesn't have a chemical program or biological program. the president had his min

august 4, 2020, here is what this president told bob woodward. >> nothing more could have been done. i acted early. i acted early. >> well -- >> it was not just a declaration of surrender but a justification for having surrender months before. this president did not make it in front congress. his words came in a private conversation. he did not have the decency to tell the american people the truth. since then another 115,000 of fellow americans, many voted for the president and if that even mattered have died of coronavirus. as of tonight the count down stands at more than 283,000 with more than 1300 deaths reported today. on friday the president signed a new order claiming today's nation national pearl harbor remembrance day. the patriots who lost their lives that day. he had nothing to say, however, about the 2,879 people reported dead the night before he signed that nor did he speak of the dead in georgia the next day. how many of them have survived if more had been done, if more of us had wore masks and socially distanced. if the president was a wartime commander, instead he cla

bob woodward's reporting coming out the audio of president trump privately telling him back on february 7th that he knew it was airborne and how dangerous it is. we surprised that he does such big numbers just his handling of covid? >> not really. we have been here before with that with 2016 and access hollywood and reopening the clinton investigation. and figured he would get his base back out but i figured maybe he would get a little extra get the base back out again. where he made a mistake is that from the beginning, as a sitting president coming in and 2016 you have a clean slate and the ability to expand that base and didn't do a whole lot to expand the base. if you look at the 2016 election, the close margins in michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsn suggested if he didn't do an expansion of his base even with the marginal increase the democrats were coming for him and would be ready this time it wouldn't sit on biden like they did on hillary clinton. i think that's what happened. they were coming for him, he knew that but did not expand his base. he got it back out but did not do enou

. >> by the time we got to election day, 250,000 americans had died, bob woodward's recording had come out, donald trump saying that he knew it was airborne and how dangerous it is. were you surprised he got such big numbers considering just his handling of covid-19? >> not really because we have been here before in 2016 with the access hollywood tape, until the comey announcement about reopening the clinton administration looked like a dead man walking in that election as well until that moment happened and he performed quite well so i figure it he would get his base back out. i didn't think the numbers would be as high as they were but i figured he would get the base back out again. where he made his mistake is from the beginning has sitting president, you have a clean slate and ability to expand that base and he didn't do a lot to expand the base and if you look at the 2016 election the close margins in michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin suggested, should have suggested if he didn't do some expansion of his base even if he got them back out and had a marginal increase, the democrats

bob woodward reporting had come out, the audio of president trump privately telling him back on february 7 that he knew it was airborne and how dangerous it is. were you surprised at all that he got such big numbers,, considering kisses handling of covid? >> not really because we had kind of been there before with that in 2016 with the "access hollywood" tape and the comey announcement reopening the clinton investigation company look like a dead man walking until that happened and he performed quite well. i figured he would get his base back out, and he didn't think the numbers would be as high as they were but i figured maybe he would get a little extra by db get the base back out again. where he made his mistake is about fromm the beginning, as a sitting president coming in in 2016 you sort of have a clean slate and ability to sort of expand that base, and he really didn't do a a whole lot to expd the base. if you look at the 2016 election, the close margins in michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, suggested or should it suggested to him if he didn't do some expansion of his base, even if

not in august, when he told bob woodward that nothing more could have been done. not in april, months after, he told woodward the virus was airborne and far deadlier than the flu. >> so, it's voluntary. you don't have to do it. they suggest it, for a period of time. but, this is voluntary. i don't think i'm going to be doing it. i just don't want to be doing -- i don't know, somehow, sitting in the oval office, behind that beautiful, resolute desk. the great, resolute desk. i think, wearing a face mask, as i greet presidents, prime ministers, dictators, kings, queens. i don't know. somehow, i don't see it for myself. i just -- i just don't. >> yeah. doesn't look good. huffing and puffing after getting off a helicopter having left the hospital early, after having covid. that, apparently, is presidential, in this president's mind. but actually just wearing a thin piece of fabric over your mouth and over your nose to protect others. that is, somehow, not something he can do. the self-proclaimed wartime president, already, announcing the terms of surrender in a war he

trump once told writer bob woodward he wanted to bring out the rage in people.mericans doomed to be motivated and divided by fear and anger and is there a way to heal the nation? today, we speak with one of the most unique voices in public life. reverend william barber the second is the cochair of the people's campaign, a social justice movement that mobilizes social change. it is great to be with you today. what i am hoping to get at in the important work you are doing is to -- the question of what that common ground could be as you think about healing the breach and addressing it at the main time many of the core problems of the nation. what is that agenda look like? >> steve, thank you so much. what is so interesting about that question that you just raised is that we actually have answers. answers that are a as the -- that are ancient as the bible. answers that are as old as our constitution and our deepest religious values, but the for -- but the problem is we begin all of our conversations i think with two mythologies that constantly keep us in division. m

host: when you planned bob woodward's most recent book ra rage. you talked about the timing, what went into that decision to release in early september? >> we thought that is when attention would be the most focused on the question of how the triple administration has behaved and conducted itself, a lot of it depends upon bob's reporting his own timing and is on schedule, we weren't really sure, bob said it could be earlier or later we had hoped it would be september, nothing was certain until bob was done, when bob was done we moved. host: what is been the effect of the pandemic on the publishing industry specifically simon & schuster. >> it is been unusual for several months we did not publish that many books when the pandemic began in march we postpone several titles that were coming out in april, may, june and then we started to publish more really going into july and then ultimately book sales were up, the industry book sales have been up about 6% in july to many publishers and people were home and had time to read, it is turned out and throu

now as the number of covered cases surged and businesses closed trunk privately told journalist bob woodward he understood the danger i want to always play it i still like playing it down yes because i don't want to create a panic still the u.s. 1st spies was hampered by trump's denial of science fearing it may impact his reelection i think the president in his own unique inimitable way pride responded to it in a way that definitely created a lot of confusion or scientists and medical professionals only because so much of what he was advocating i didn't comport with our reality instead trump publicly suggested his own scientific treatments and then i see the disinfectant. in a minute when there is a way we can do something like that. injection. recommendations meant to prevent. the spread of the virus such as social distancing and mask wearing were also ignored or downplayed. some americans many of them trying supporters simply refused to do either claiming their rights were being infringed members of the trumpet ministration also publicly flooded government recommendations. even gathering i

president was telling us that this virus would just disappear like a miracle as he was telling bob woodward that it had gone airborne michael you hear americans voices every day and we've seen hard hit red states split to blue in this past election to what extent are these top 2 stories really one story and do you think the pandemic cost trumped his presidency. i think that had it not been for the 10 demick kenneth trump taken a few words of advice from some of his advisors he would have won this election he could have won it in a landslide and he could have gone down in history as a great president he it's tragic how he blew it yeah i do believe code 19 was one of the major elements that led to his demise in this election and certainly it ties into not just politics but the economy and we're going to be dealing with it through much of 2021 i mean joe biden is not going to have a walk in the park it's not going to be like when ronald reagan became president after the iran crisis and all of a sudden we were tying yellow ribbons and within a few days the hostages were sent home this is not so

democratic side feel their hopes and aspirations pretty dashed as well trump once told writer bob woodward that he wanted to bring out the reagan people who are americans doomed to be motivated and divided by fear and anger and is there a way to really heal the nation today we speak with one of the most unique voices in american public life reverend william barber the 2nd is the co-chair of the poor people's campaign a national call for moral revival a social justice movement that mobilizes the poor to be agents of social change reverend barber it's great to be with you today what i'm hoping to get at in that important work that you are doing is the question of what that common ground could be as you think about healing the breach and addressing at the same time many of the core problems of the nation what does that agenda look like well steve 1st of all thank you so much and what is so interesting about that question that you just raised is that we actually have aunts. asses that of ancient as our bible asses that are as old as our constitution and our deepest religious values but the pro

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john, listen, anderson cooper recalling bob woodward's interview with president trump.lay a clip they brought up. >> is there any lesson you take because i think this is so important. i have -- i keep -- because i'm in the business of trying to understand other people, i keep learning about how do you really understand people? how do i understand you? you and i -- >> you don't understand me. you don't understand me. but that's okay. you'll understand me after the election, but you'll understand me now. >> you don't think so? >> no, i don't think so. i don't think you get it. >> what are the questions i've not asked that have not been answered? >> i think you've asked me a lot of very good questions, a lot of personal questions. i think you've asked me a lot of good stuff. >> okay. so, we're past the election now, john. we're seeing what the president is doing. what do you think we understand or don't understand about him now after this election? >> well, i think one of the things that surprised a lot of people, and i was among them, was the durability of the president's

imagine if in january when the recordings from bob woodward, if we had known or if we acted then. i am going to remain optimistic. but being a journalist, i have to wonder how much further ahead we would have been if we had more buy-in if the leader of the free world said it is serious and airborne. we need to do this and that. as the science changed and evolved he would have changed and evolved as well. early on, masks. they believe they did not really have much of an effect. and then a little bit later on they realized that well, there is a benefit to wearing it. so, as the science evolved, the scientists evolved. guess who never did evolve. so, i am optimistic. i think it would have been great. i was hoping america would get their first dose by now. it would be great to see americans getting their doses first. we start where we start and we begin where we begin. let's hope we have enough doses. >> we don't. you can't hope. >> i have spoken to people that said they can still figure out where to get more. but that is going to take money. we have money. this is america. >> they ha

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i will tell you that bob woodward reports that this was concerned this president, that russia might havething on this president. i can simply tell you he's hardly alone among very high-ranking intelligence officials who believe the same thing. especially after helsinki, i had one person who used to run russian operations for the cia, told me after that press conference in helsinki, he could have no other rational possibility except that the russians have some sort of financial relationship with trump. so none of that is a good thing when it comes to the cia's relations with other intelligence services. >> we have a ton of questions but to just want to get together necessarily related you will relate them. they have to do with now. when is china. not huge part of what you have written about, how do you see china in terms of the extra burden it puts on the cia for right now, how robust do you think the cia is? the second thing is, the d.o.j.'s increasing part in all of this much closer to the intelligence community after 9/11 but now it is unusual positioning inside this administration. i'

testimony and to cross reference one man's testimony into another in order to arrive at what i think bob woodward called the best availableversion of the truth . so i hope that answers my question. >> that's the complex question and i'm also expecting you to give an entire seminar on that very experience so thank you for presenting that to us for the purpose of today's discussion . going to take a different route and this question comes with an assumption and i would classify the question as pop culture, media, along those lines and the assumption is that you have seen the hbo series on share noble. so the question is simply what did you like or dislike about that ridiculous series. >> i have seen it. i -- what did i like about it? the production design and scenery i thought really re-created that time of life in the soviet union with fantastic veracity. and it looked amazing. but as someone who engaged on the subject in great part to try and address a lot of the myths and exaggerations that had grown up around the share noble story in the years since it happened, i was pretty disappointed either

if you go back to january, he put on the record, bob woodward, that the day the president found out aboutit at all. it got going almost immediately. we were told a year or two a year and a half and it's less than a year. it's astounding, the scientists, everybody that worked on this. i salute you and i hope everybody gets stuck. >> geraldo: dana. >> jesse: stuck with a needle. >> geraldo: i've got it. do you think people should be wistful about the timing, if only, if only this had happened two months ago. >> dana: you can say that about the hunter biden scandal too. you can say that about a lot of things. when you're disappointed. i say let's go, let's go, let's go. i think that the fda folks have been working nonstop. i don't think they have been dragging their feet. one of the big concerns was there wasn't going to be the legitimacy, the people would worry that it was rushed. i think we are only a week after the u.k. we are on the right track. what this could mean for all of us to get back to work, get people back to working, kids back in school. it's a great thing. >> greg: there is a

but imagine if in january, when those recordings from bob woodward, if we had known, if they had acted then. imagine how fast it would have been? i'm going to remain optimistic, glass half fulfill being a realist, a journalist, i have to wonder how much further ahead we would have been if we had more buy-in if the leader of the free world had said, this is serious, it is airborne, we need to do this and that. as the science changed and evolved, that he would have changed is that evolved as well. early on, masks, they believe they didn't have, they didn't have much of an effect. a little later they realized, well, there is some benefit to wearingett. so as the science evolved, the scientists evolved. guess who never did evolve? so i'm optimistic. it would have been great. i was hoping america would have gotten its first dose by now. it would have been great to see americans getting the first doses first. we begin where we begin. and let's hope we have enough doses. >> we don't. you can't, hope in that case -- >> yes, but i've spoken to people who say they can still rejigger. they can st

you heard from the president himself in speaking to bob woodward on the record saying he's downplayedof this virus. we've heard from white house staffers who say they have been pressured to not wear masks while working here at the white house because the president doesn't like the visuals, the optics of that. further, the white house continues to hold holiday-themed events with large groups of people gathering in very close spaces. no social distancing. very few masks, if any. so, these white house officials are going to be receiving a vaccine that millions of at-risk americans could use very badly right now, ana. >> from the white house to capital hill. we learned there's a development in the stimulus talks. what can you tell us about that. >> reporter: this is coming from our colleagues. this bipartisan group of legislators in the house and senate have been working to advance stimulus talks. we're learning they're actually going to break up what would with be an enormous package into two pieces. essentially the first one is a $750 billion proposal that would likely have a backing am

and jared kushner said to bob woodward that donald trump had hijacked the republican party. i think the question for the republicans now is, can they take back the party? are those 73 million voters willing to go with them? and to the point about his teasing about whether or not he would run in 2024, that is a real problem for the next generation of republicans, who would like to run in 2024. they are frozen out until he makes a decision. >> and he's going to wait as long as he possibly can because he wants that power, this is all about feeling that power. so david and jamie, please stand by. as we are watching this process, you see springfield, illinois the capitol of illinois. there are several states dealing with security concerns because of the open wound that david is talking about. let's start in michigan, diane gallagher is there. tell us what you're seeing, diane. >> reporter: erin, at 2:00 p.m., start time, will likely begin with the electors being escorted by police into the capitol, which is closed to the public, in part due to covid but also because of planned pr

he told bob woodward, but a lot of people died after that. >> charlie: too bad you democrats so absorbedlous impeachment trial. if you all had not been obsessed -- >> brad: you know what my charlie, he has the president of the united states. he had acknowledged that this was airborne. >> harris: i'm going to step in. charlie, he's got to go. he knows you guys are coming back. decaf until i see you, thank you. >> brad: can't wait. >> harris: absolutely, boy, this is such a critical conversation that people are having right now. it is affecting everybody across the country. and then there is this spirit crime surging and one basic city and democrats are not backing down on the push to defund the police. the power panel comes back on that coming up. plus, we are now learning how many americans could be vaccinated in the coming months. and hospitalizations for covert are reaching a new high. dr. marty makary looks at the facts and the science. let's get it from him next. ♪ save for your retirement, update your home, maybe buy a new car? record low rates have dropped even lower. use your va s

there are others, i will tell you that bob woodward reports that dan coats was concerned that this presidentthat russia might have something on this president. i i can simply tell you that cos is hardly alone among very high-ranking intelligence officials who believe the same thing, and especially after helsinki. i had one person who used to run russian operations for the cia tell me that after that press conference in helsinki, he could think of no other rational possibility, except that the russians have some sort of compromise or financial relationship with trump. so none of that is a good thing when it comes to the cia's relations with other intelligence services. >> there's a ton of questions but two of them i just want to give you together that are not necessarily related but you will relate them, which is they have to do with now. one of them is china, which is not a huge part of what you've written about. how do you see china in terms of the extra burden it puts on the cia for right now? how robust do you think the cia is in order to handle that? the second thing is, this you could w

>> well, we also saw the last days, the final days of richard nixon, so memorably captured by bob woodward asking henry kissinger to kneel down and pray and talking to portraits in the corridors, that was bizarre. >> compared to now those were the days of normalcy and people are longing for someone as normal as richard nixon to be president. that's how far we've come and even in nixon's case, there were worries that what would he do to stay in office? would he use the 101st airborne, would he use nuclear weapons? james schlessinger, you knew very well and i did was the secretary of defense. he told me and probably mentioned it to you as well that he gave an order that any order from nixon to move nuclear weapons would have to be countersigned by the secretary of defense to make sure there was no traction like that and of course nixon in the end did not pardon himself or his aides as donald trump is at least forecast to do by some people. and has pardoned aides already. >> right, and nixon did not pardon urlichman involved in the coverup. you've seen what's happened with flynn and manafort

the tell is that he actually, six, seven months before had told bob woodward on tape he knew how serious that really was a lie. completely contradicted by here you go, are you ready, those of you still in this

the man who admitted to bob woodward that he lied about the severity of the pandemic.who told us this would all go away one day. the that covid-19 was just like the flu, we should mainline bleach to kill the virus. in a just world dr. scott atlas would have to look every single american who lost a loved one to the virus in the eye. he would have to explain to them why he argued for herd immunity, which by design would sicken and kill untold numbers of people. he would have to justify running cover for a president who was willing to sit idly by while 300,000 of our friends, our neighbors, our fellow citizens, our loved ones died alone in a hospital room. we don't live in that world. but the least we can do is never, ever listen to what dr. scott atlas has to say again. >>> joe biden taking the podium in wilmington, delaware. let's listen in. >> and the pandemic, economic crisis, calls for racial justice, historic and punishing wildfires and storms. so this season of reflection carries a much deeper meaning than it usually does. over 320,000 lives lost to this virus. and

washington post reporters bob woodward and robert costa are working together about a book of transitionrom trump to biden administration. the book currently untitled will be published by simon, in other news author john died of age of 89, former british intelligence officer, he wrote over two dozen thrillers including the spy who came from the cold and the constant gardener. and center for analysis of personality and political behavior has also died, his books examine the school under pinnings of world leaders including saddam hussein, bill clinton and president trump. he died at the i believe of 86. also in the news npd book reports that 2020 was a good year for nonfiction book sales which rose over 3% from the year prior. npd book analyst offered thoughts on the year, quote, political memoirs to political commentary and opinion, u.s. readers were reading books at a higher rate than usual. and bill gates has released his annual favorite book's list for what he is calling, quote, 5 good books for a lousy year. the list includes eric larson's recount of winton -- winston churchill's lead

now as the number of covered cases surged and businesses closed trunk privately told journalist bob woodward he understood the danger i want to always plays i still like playing it down yes because i don't want to create a panic still the u.s. 1st spies was hampered by trump's denial of science fearing it may impact his reelection i think the president in his own unique inimitable way pride responded to it in a way that definitely created a lot of confusion or scientists and medical professionals only because so much of what he was advocating i didn't comport with our reality instead trump publicly suggested his own scientific treatments and then i see the disinfectant. in a minute when that is the way we can do something they go. by injection into. recommendations meant to prevent. the spread of the virus such as social distancing as mask wearing were also ignored or downplayed. that some americans many of them trust supporters simply refused to do either claiming their rights were being infringed members of the trumpet ministration also publicly flooded government recommendations. even gat

he was called by bob woodward one of america's foremost experts in secret presidential courting's particularly for his [inaudible] which have been fatal to politics and chasing shadows. you are going to draw some were parallels with the most angry of the past today. >> interest in the next administration comes and goes. when things are going well in america, i don't get calls from reporters. when things aren't going well, i get calls from reporters. these days, you can guess that i get a lot of attention from reporters. most recently, with the release of the mueller report. the questions of the president encouraging aides to perjured themselves. and engaging in obstruction of justice. an investigation of himself came up once again. it was particularly interesting to me to see the analysis of trump's attempt to dangle pardons over the heads of aids like paul manafort. rudy giuliani, his attorney, on television talked about how unfair the treatment of manafort was. giuliani said that the president will look at the investigation to see if anyone was treated unfairly and yes they might get a pardo

now as the number of covered cases surged and businesses closed trunk privately told journalist bob woodward he understood the danger i want to always plays i still like playing it down yes because i don't want to create a panic still the us 1st spies was hampered by trump's denial of science fearing it may impact his reelection i think the president in his own unique inimitable way pride responded to it in a way that definitely created a lot of confusion or scientists and medical professionals only because so much of what he was advocating didn't comport with our reality instead trump publicly suggested his own scientific treatments and then i see the disinfectant. in a minute when they live in is there a way we can do something like that. injection in. recommendations meant to prevent. the spread of the virus such as social distancing and mask wearing were also ignored or downplayed. some americans many of them trust supporters simply refused to do either claiming their rights were being infringed members of the trumpet ministration also publicly flooded government recommendations. even ga

if on february 8th, instead of not telling everyone what he told bob woodward, he had said let's all be superheroes, let's all wear masks, i'm going to make maga masks, i will sell them like maga masks. if he had handled covid differently, let me just start with you on this, do you think he would have won a month ago? >> probably. much closer race. the economy, he got credited for, you know, building an economy that was humming. you know, in times of crisis, americans want to rally around their leader, typically. and if they think you are trying, they think you are making moves that are based on a logic and science, they give you the benefit of the doubt, even if there is some rocky patches. but, if you just go aside and say hey, you know for instance a mock people, mock biden for wearing a mask and don't take it seriously. then, in the late summer months, sort of kind of abandoning, even fighting, at least that's what it looked like. yes, that is when people will say, you know one? maybe we need a change. and, if you saw how he suffered with senior voters, senior voters are usually

. >> he had -- he admitted it to bob woodward. it's all on the tapes. i have had friends over the course of the year say the stupidest things to me, the most ignorant things to me. >> painful. >> no worse than the flu. that masks don't do anything. oh, this is going to magically disappear the day after the election day. you know this is all just a conspiracy, to try to defeat donald trump. it's going to go away afterwards. anthony fauci has cooked this all up so he could make billions of dollars off of vaccines. it's all a scam. and it's not -- it's not -- >> a scam is the lies. >> the people inside the cult and inside the trump cult that actually believe this is a conspiracy because if you do, you are inside of a cult and it's dangerous and you need to get help from mental health providers. i would say you would need to go to church but unfortunately there's so many liars behind the pulpit right now who are spreading donald trump's lies. they are worse than the religious leaders that jesus called out when he was -- he was doing -- in his ministry. so i

people who supported donald trump and said it was just like the flu, even after donald trump told bob woodward on tape that it was much worse than the flu and it is worse than the flu. also, guess what? the numbers even surpass heart disease and cancer. >> probably for the next 60 to 90 days we'll have more deaths than we had in 9/11 or pearl harbor and the vaccine approval this week is not going to really impact that. i think to any degree for the next 60 days. >> the u.s. covid-19 project reports a record number of people were hospitalizationed with the virus yesterday. 107,000 people went to the hospital. joining us is dr. vin gupta, an msnbc medical contributor. >> we have good bad and really bad news. the good news, the vaccines are coming online. the bad news is this cold, dark winter that joe biden had warned about, wait a second, that anthony fauci had warned about back in april and may, when president trump said, oh, covid wasn't come backing in the fall. it's here and my god, it's far worse than ever. >> good morning, joe. you're dead right, first of all. i'm on service right now and

the tell is that he actually, six, seven months before had told bob woodward on tape he knew how serious this disease was. and that everything he had said after that really was a lie. completely contradicted by here you go, are you ready, those of you still in this personality cult? it's all on tape. you see, his confession is all on tape. everything. how deadly the disease was. how -- it wasn't the flu. i know some of you said, hey, it's no different than -- no. your hero said it was five times worse than the flu, said that it impacted everybody. said it was really, really bad and that it was airborne. then he lied for the next six, seven, eight months. he was lying during the presidential debate. how many times did he tell you, starting in march that it was -- this is about to go away? how many times? so he lied to you dozens of times about this disease going away. and then finally, in the end, he just -- it's called the freudian slip in the business. he started to talk about herd immunity which of course he dismissed in march because it would kill 2, 3, 4, 5 million americans. so mika

that despite multiple admissions to bob woodward that he knew all along that the scientists were right about how lethal the pandemic was and he was down playing it on purpose. even his political strategy failed. america voted against the misinformation on the topic of a deadly pandemic and the pry youration of politics over public safety. today, a few minutes ago, the successor they chose offered a vastly different outlook. joe biden con fronting the twin coronavirus crisis where they meet and appealing directly to congress for much needed covid relief before the end of the year. >> the folks out there aren't looking for a hand out. they need help. they are in trouble through no fault of their own. nothing they did caused them to have hours cut or lose their job or drop out of the market. what they need, they need us to understand. we're in a crisis. we need to come together as nation. we need congress to act and act now. put yourselves in that position, anybody listening, laying awake at night wondering what's going to happen tomorrow. all of this weakens our abilities to control the

keep in mind, even then the president was privately acknowledging to bob woodward the lethality of and that he was intentionally downplaying covid. >> now it's turning out it's not just old people, bob. but just today and yesterday, some startling facts came out. it's not just older. >> yeah. exactly. >> it's plenty of young people. >> sure, i want you to be. >> i wanted to always play it down. i still like playing it down. >> yes. >> because i don't want to create a panic. >> spin, lies, and an unprecedented death toll are we we start today. we have our msnbc medical contributor, medical director of the special pathogens unit at boston medical center. ashley parker is also joining us, white house reporter for the "washington post" and john heilemann is back, msnbc national affairs analyst, executive eder of the recount and host of the hell and high water podcast. doctor, i wonder if you could start with us. there's reporting in the "washington post" about the specific measures that hospitals are taking because of the crush of patients, the crush of hospitalizations. can you talk about

i've spent a lot of time talking about it is that we had in donald trump, someone who admitted to bob woodwardty of the virus, for a variety of reasons, because he did. there's been a crush of credible scientists and doctors, dr. fauci, dr. birx, people like yourself all over, and yet, and but, we are where you say we are because we haven't had the will to do things differently. what impact will a change of leadership have, or do you think the disinformation has so permeated the information ecosystem? >> well, we have a challenge in terms of that. i have to acknowledge it's become so politicized. i have every hope that the incoming administration will use science as its currency for making decisions. that doesn't mean that the public itself will change how it's looking at this view. but we have to do is face the cold facts. you know, i worry, and i've been heavily criticized, and this is my own personal opinion, not that of the biden/harris group but i've been critical of the advice we're giving people for christmas holidays. you know, if we expect that we're going to get out of this without h

bob woodward's book on casey has a lot of interesting information about covert action.t it sullied itself with the ridiculous climax with the death bed conversation with bill casey which simply did not happen as best we can reconstruct. however, thankfully you have a good open source biography of casey knowing that the one we just finished will never see the light of day. and joe persico's is a terrific treatment of it. the directors themselves have written about themselves. and a good index of a good memoir of any sort to me is, what does it do to capture the writer. it's not just a bland rehash of what happened on my watch or an apology for what i did or didn't do. but rather kind of a verbal portrait of the individual. in that respect, every one of the director's memoirs fits the bill there. bill colby, the objective lawyer has written an extremely solidly grounded candid but lawyerly type of account of his life. stansfield turner, who never thought he ever did anything wrong from day one to day end makes that very clear in his book "secrecy and democracy" in which h

>> well, i think bob woodward once said warned journalists at the beginning of the trump administrationd readers will see the smugness. in cnn chyrons they are mostly editorial and filled with snark. not headlines that give you facts first. i remember during the rnc and dnc specifically cnn introduced a fact checking chyron. joe biden wasn't fact checked but president trump was and i saw that as a microcosm in terms of teaching students about bias, that's exactly an example you would give one for one side, not one for another. >> sandra: they are rushing to defend the newly named press secretary for joe biden. it is a photo that has surfaced as she has been criticized and scrutinized for this showing her wearing a hammer and sickle hat and meeting with a russian group. the russian foreign minister is pictured in there. she is facing fresh scrutiny on this. the fact check headline is psaki was gifted it at a diplomatic meeting. how is this being covered? >> it is being covered as you would expect. in other words, it's jen psaki is getting a pass in this situation. but i think it overall