bob woodward said to me it's almost reminded him of the send talking to the pictures on the walls in 1974 >> what's interesting about it and bob costa and i talked about this at length because when we discovered what hammond did, at this moment it's almost a mystical engagement trump has with the mob up there, the people and he's mesmerized by it and we discussed this. when nixon in his final days was talking to the pictures on the wall, nixon was talking to washington and lincoln. trump was talking to his mob. and that is his connection to the population. and it is the last lines in the book are peril remains. because trump and what he stands for is out there in the political world now. some polls show that he would be biting. he has 30 to 40 percent of the people believing that the election was stolen from him when you know, the biggest trump supporters, lindsey graham and senator mike lee investigated the charges and he came up and concluded it's zero but trump won't listen to his own allies who investigate and say there's nothing here. >> the book as these chapters about trump and

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he is the co-author of peril with bob woodward. mr.t the relationship in your book between the former president and the former speaker of the house, paul ryan a particular over a series of events. can you recount some of those? host: he features in the -- guest: paul ryan is an interesting story as you tell the trump story, because he is in effect the leader of the republican party in congress when trump is elected in 2016. he is the speaker of the house. so much power. and he has to figure out how to deal with this new outsider president, and he sees in some ways that he is someone he can have a transactional bond with, someone who can help him to announcer: enact republican policies, at the same time he found trump odd and almost hard to connect with on a personal basis and on a political basis. and what we discovered in our reporting is that we discovered in our reporting is that paul ryan as speaker of the house was given manuals and documents from a doctor friend of his, wealthy republican donor in new york about narcissistic pers

a 42 minute long conversation with bob woodward. he joins us. so does former-secretary of state madelyn all bright. we begin, though, with breaking news on the former president's fight to keep documents from his administration out of the hands of the house select committee investigating him. just a day before the committee meets, perhaps to take action against one of his former cronies, steve bannon, for defying a subpoena. the man who's expressed contempt for the entire concept of being held accountable by anyone for anything he did, something -- well, he did something else to come -- come to know from him. he went to court to try to get his way. cnn senior legal affairs correspondent, paula reid, joins us now with the latest. so, what -- talk about this lawsuit. what is going on? >> so, here, anderson, trump is asking the court for, at most, granting his request to block lawmakers from actually obtaining these materials. and at the very least, he is asking them to delay lawmakers from obtaining these materials, arguing that these requests are

bob woodward interviewed im for many of his books. he interviewed collin powell in july and knew it would be the last one. he said to bob woodward then, i have multiple myeloma kans enarea parkinson's disease. otherwise, i'm fine. i haven't lost a day of life fighting these two diseases. i'm in good shape. in the end, it was the combination of those two diseases along with covid-19 that ended colin powell's live today. he told bob woodward how he was getting to all of the medical appointments at walter reed and what turned out to be the last year of his life. quote, i drive up in my corvette and get out of the corvette and go into the hospital. colin powell was a long time corvette driver. his corvette was the very first thing that came up in the one private conversation that i had with him in new york city after he had just driven the corvette up from washington, d.c., 225 miles or so. ten years ago at the age of 74. and that final interview bob woodward colin powell shared his thoughts on afghanistan, a few weeks before the final am

right now, i want to bring in -- bob woodward. he's going to be joining us in a few moments as well. tell us about first of all, some of the excerpts from the audio that bob got as a result of his final interview in july. >> just for context, i think over his career, bob has done more than 50 interviews with colin powell. these were done july 12th. the first one we're going to listen to is really extraordinary because we're going to hear general powell talk about his health. for the first time. he told bob woodward about his health. >> i go to the hospital about two or three times a week. i've got multiple myeloma cancer and parkinson's disease, but i'm fine. >> oh, no, i'm sorry. >> don't say that. i'm 85 years old. got to have something. i haven't lost a day of life fighting these two diseases. >> that's great. you've never lost a day of life. i mean, think of the activist general, former secretary of state, now oracle. right? >> yeah. >> and typical self-depricating humor. here he was suffering from a deadly blood cancer. we're

this is what happens every time bob woodward puts a book out.e's excellent at spites spice -- spicing things up. howie: he's not saying this things didn't happen. >> he's the one who volunteered the situation just as harold mentioned, like president trump volunteered the information. woodward does have a problem of people who interact with him saying that he's not completely truthful with how he characterizes events. but bigger problem would be that general milley, who does like to advertise that he's woke, is spending so much time talking to left wing journalists even as the destructive things are happening. this was the worst foreign policy catastrophe we've had had in a generation and there's not nearly enough media coverage even as i agree with harold that is extends beyond the last few months, into the last maybe 18 years. howie: briefly, you have another book coming out, don't you talk to people who are or were in positions of power in order to write a better book? >> i want everyone to keep talking to reporters, it certainly benefits me.

let's talk about this with bob woodward, co-author of "peril." bob, is this such a hard question for jim jordan to answer? >> because the whole goal here was -- is steve bannon is quoted in our book saying to strangle the biden presidency in the crib, to subvert the process of certifying the biden election. remember, at this time, trump is president. he's talking to bannon. he's talking to jordan. he's talking to giuliani. he's talking to people we probably don't know about. he had come back from mar-a-lago, avoiding reluctantly that new year's eve party. so he can work the phones, so he can make -- we report in our book about his meeting with pence and saying don't you think it would be cool if you had this power to decide who is going to be the next president? and pence says to his credit, at that point, no. i don't think one person should have that power. and the constitution and the law make that very clear. but trump is pushing it, bannon is pushing it, giuliani is pushing it. there are others involved in this, and if somebody really looks at

he told bob woodward in july, how he was getting to all of his medical appointments, with walter reid, and what turned out to be the last year of his life. quote, i drive up in my corvette, get out of the corvette, and go into the hospital. colin powell was a longtime corvette driver. his corvette was the very first thing that came up in the one private conversation that i had with him, in new york city. after he had just driven the corvette up from washington d.c., 225 miles or so. ten years ago, at the age of 74. in that final interview with bob woodward, colin powell showed his charities thoughts on afghanistan, a few weeks before the final american evacuation from afghanistan. colin powell said, i thought we had to get out of there eventually. we can't beat these guys, well, let's get it over with. afghanistan, you're never gonna win. afghans are going to win. that's why i don't have any problem with us getting out of their. we can't go from 100,000 u.s. troops down to a few hundred and think that will prevail. bob woodward's final question to colin powell was quote, who is the gr

a 42 minute long conversation with bob woodward. he joins us.h, with breaking news on the former president's fight to keep documents from his

[ laughter ] >> bob woodward joins me now and co-author of the new book "peril." you on tonight. extraordinary interview. last interview with powell and possibly the last interview he did. i understand you interviewed him more than 50 times. what did you think? >> it goes back to 1989, the panama invasion. he was somebody a rare public official that didn't shield himself. he was willing to open himself up and would answer questions you would always get him on the phone or go see him and he felt that was part of his responsibility and i think it was part of his integrity quite frankly. >> speaking of which, we're seeing the battles over documents for january 6th special committee. you asked him about the insurrection. i want to play that. i want to hear from him. here it is. >> sure. >> just got rid of the president who is not reelected. >> yeah. >> but he chooses to acknowledge he wasn't reelected. he has people that go all in on that. we had a congress who is ready to elect him or do something with him and make him the hero again. >> yeah. >> these guys all bad m

[ laughter ] >> yes. >> bob woodward joins me now. he's the co-author of the new book "peril." have you on tonight. it's an extraordinary interview and excerpt to hear. and this was the last interview with colin powell and possibly the last interview that he did. i understand you interviewed him over 50 times over 32 years. you knew him. what did you think? >> yes. well, it goes back to 1989, the panama invasion. he was somebody -- a rare public official who did not shield himself. he was willing to open himself up and would answer questions. you could always get him on the phone or go see him. and he felt that was part of his responsibility. and i think it was part of his integrity, quite frankly. >> speaking of which, we're seeing the battles over documents for the january 6th special committee. you asked him about the insurrection. i want to play that. i want to hear that. >> sure. >> just got rid of a president. >> pardon? >> who was not re-elected. refused to acknowledge he wasn't re-elected. he has people who go along with him on that. >> yeah. >> and we had a congress who

was bob woodward lying to us in the book? >> i don't know. i don't recall any conversation about epic times -- >> do you believe they are domestic terrorists -- >> no. not at all. i don't think epic times nor newsmax are domestic terrorist organizations. i believe they are -- . >> you listed the different groups are responsible for january 6. >> the gentleman's time is expired and i would note for the record i was quoted in that book. it could be a misunderstanding about what was actually said this back and forth on the committee today represents some real stress in the system about the withdrawal and what it means. but also about an interest in politicizing national security issues, which i have real issues with. can i just ask -- i think the question i get asked the most in my district about our withdrawal from afghanistan is, are we safer now than we were on september 10th 2001. and i believe, and i've certainly answered many veterans who have reached out, that i believe their work was valuable and worthy. we kept al-qaeda and other groups

was bob woodward lying to us in the book? >> i don't know. i don't recall any conversation about epic times -- >> do you believe they are domestic terrorists -- >> no. not at all. i don't think epic times nor newsmax are domestic terrorist organizations. i believe they are -- >> will you produce to this committee that you listed different groups responsible for january 6th? >> sure. absolutely. >> i yield back. >> the gentleman's time has expired. i will note for the record that i was quoted in that book as well and a lot of what i said was conflated and not 100% accurately portrayed. it does happen. just because someone says something doesn't mean it is an accurate portrayal and doesn't mean they're lying. it could be a misunderstanding about what was actually said. >> thank you, gentlemen, for being here and for the work that you've done. i think obviously the level of back and forth on the committee today represents some real stress in the system about the withdrawal and what it means but also about, you know, an interesting in politicizin

a 42-minute long conversation with bob woodward. he joins us.lbright. we begin, though, with breaking news in the former president's fight to keep documents from his administration out of the hands of the house select committee investigating him. just a day before the committee meets perhaps to take action against one of his former cronies, steve bannon, for d defying a subpoena. the man who's expressed contempt for the entire concept of being held accountable by anyone for anything he did, something -- well, he did something else to come -- come to know from him. he went to court to try to get his way. cnn senior legal affairs correspondent paula reid joins us now with the latest. so, what -- talk about this lawsuit. what is going on? >> so, here, anderson, trump is asking the court for, at most, granting his request to block lawmakers from actually obtaining these materials. and at the very least, he is asking them to delay lawmakers

cool political reporter with the washington post his latest book co authored with his colleague bob woodward called peril currently at the top of the new york times bestseller list and dr. but delia an infectious disease physician founding director of boston university center for emerging infectious diseases policy and research good evening and welcome to you all i'd like to begin with you and the beat that you covered biden said today he is going to talk to match about the debt ceiling where do we think that idea originated in what do we expect to come of it or president biden has always said that he wants to lean into decades of experience in government to try to somehow broker bipartisan deals he knows mitch mcconnell they have talked to each other they have brokered deals in the past so the president is saying that maybe he can have some sort of conversation with senator mitch mcconnell to try to move him but everyone i'm talking to says they don't see that's likely going to happen that's why you see the president doing something that is very extraordinary for the president and that is s

bob woodward is here.ssociate editor at the washington post and author of the new"paral" thank you for joining us.l" thank you foil" thank you for joining us.. he's pretty specific that he doesn't want 45 of them sent over. so why do you think that is and what is this all about? what do you think of that? >> i think trump, as we know, if there is someway to gum up the works, he will try to do it. i don't know. will you bear with me a moment? because i've been thinking about this and talking to people and living it like you and lots of people and if you go back to 1972, 1973, the investigation focussed on the watergate bur burglary, that one episode and the reporting showed that no, it wasn't isolated. you have to look broader. and so we started looking at other espionage and sabotage and realized that to understand watergate, you had to understand this, the illegal fundraising from corporations so i wonder if the january 6th committee and that investigation in the house took a page from that period of inve

and what we've revealed in our book, bob woodward and i have reported the bannon spoke to trump on december 30th 2020, saying it's time to kill the biden presidency in it in the crib, make sure he can govern, focus on the sixth, bannon said to trump in a phone call. this is a moment where trump began to pivot and focus intensely on pressuring vice president prance to try to move the election to the house. on january 5th, the night before the insurrection, at the willard hotel he step for the white house with rudy giuliani, jason miller, talking to trump who is calling from the white house, updating them on pants, same pence is very arrogant, he's not moving, and they make a decision that night, late at night, then issue a statement saying pence is in total agreement with trump on moving the election to the house. even though, pence, of course, is not. this is about, trump, bannon, and giuliani coordinating in efforts to overturn the election, and prevent biden from taking office. >> phil rucker, i know you recall all too well the presidency of donald trump that you covered, let's just say t

joining us now, bob woodward and john dean. select committee. we know several trump allies are quote, engaging, as the congressman said, but their hearings have been postponed. i'm wondering what you make of where things stand right now? >> well, obviously, we don't know, but a key element in this, it's really important to find out, as the congressman was saying. you know, bannon refused to testify. he must be hiding something. that in itself tells you something, but it doesn't tell you what he's hiding. and you need to find out and it's really important. a committee of congress has some leverage, but the nixon tapes case, as john dean knows so well, did not give congressional committees a real strong hand in subpoenaing evidence. they actually -- the senate watergate committee lost the case. it is the prosecutor that won the case to get the nixon tapes. so, the big question is, do they have the personnel to really inves investigate? have they got a systematic process of isolating what they call the satellite witnesses, people w

>> as bob woodward and i reported this out, we really had to step back.is is not just good the pressure on vice president pence or the pressure on attorney general barr or the p pressure then on the acting attorney general. or the pressure on the republicans on capitol hill to somehow buy into this decertification of biden. this was all one bigger story driven by the man at the top, the president of the united states, and this was a campaign that this an actual memo, a six-point memo. cnn's done terrific reporting on this. from john eastman. to really make sure it was followed through. so you see in this report, even more evidence of the president's fingerprints on pressure on the department of justice, which is supposed to be the independent law enforcement operation in this country. and it is a department of justice that found no fraud during this transition period. but despite that trump just kept pushing. >> laura, according to the senate report here, this is on january 3rd, the then president said to the acting attorney general, jeffrey rosen, "one t

bob woodward is here.ociate editor at the "washington post" and the author of the new bombshell book "peril." thank you so much for joining us, bob. >> thank you. >> so as i said, the current president is rejecting trump's request to assert executive privilege over his first tranche of documents the january 6th commission is after, paving the way for the national archives to share them. now, he's pretty specific that he doesn't want 45 of them sent over. so why do you think that is and what is this all about? what do you think of that? >> i think trump, as we know, if there's some way to gum up the works he will try to do it. i don't know -- will you bear with me a moment? because i've been thinking about this and talking to people and living it like you and lots of people, and if you go back to the nixon case in watergate, 1972, 1973, the investigation focused on the watergate burglary, that one episode, and then the reporting showed that no, it wasn't isolated, you have to look broader. and so we started

his latest book with his post colleague bob woodward of "peril." and dr. badel 5 -- badelia. good evening and welcome to you all. yamiche, the beat that you cover, biden said today he is going to talk to mitch about the debt ceiling. where do we think that idea originated and what do we expect to come of it? >> president biden has always said that he wants to lean in to his decades of experience in government to try to somehow broker bipartisan deals so he knows mitch mcconnell. they have talked to each other, brokered deals in the past so the president is saying that maybe he can have a conversation with senator mitch mcconnell to try to move him. but everyone that i'm talking to doesn't see that's likely going to happen and why you see the president doing something that's very extraordinary for the president and that is saying that changing the filibuster and making a carveout is a possibility. that's what president biden told reporters tonight on the white house south lawn. let's remind people that the president over and over again over 259 days of the presidency rejected

robert costa and bob woodward, i believe everything. can pretty much say that costa is a good reporter and woodward is. donald trump, a kkk member. with that insurrection. these people that were following him on the steel, they deplorable. host: we will have to leave it there. we talked about a lot of topics, but what are some things that maybe you haven't talked about at length in talking about the book? guest: we wanted to work to provide a portrait of america in a moment. read the whole book to understand what happened two days after january 6 with chairman millie and others. it was such an explosive moment, but the decision to run, the campaign, the transition, contending with the virus, and then when he comes in, the rescue plan, ultimately making a major decision on afghanistan, the boat -- the book broke new ground there. the trump cheerio is active and compelling with the committee and the house, but this is the biden presidency and if you want to learn more about it, pick up a copy. host: the book, co-authored by robert costa an

bob woodward and i and our book, reveal the eastman memo, this two -- to have pence put into motion something that would've likely caused a devastating constitutional crisis. the committee is now turning not just to the police officers on the scene, and others who were part of the riot of the insurrection, but also to those on the legal and political side. >> lisa, you covered the mcauliffe rally tonight, i'm told. democrats are worried, mcauliffe looks exhausted, he has met a few unforced errors thus far, in the campaign. so, is planning, the republican candidate to donald trump will, no other way to ask this, the best they've got at this point? >> it's really the only play they have. i mean, what was really striking about tonight's rally was that president biden spent the bulk of his time not talking about his own legislative agenda, a congressional package that really encompasses the bulk of his domestic priorities, but the guy he ran against last year, donald trump. and that was really the focus of his remarks, trying to tie glenn youngkin to donald trump. i mean, look, don democrats know

in their new book "peril," bob woodward and robert costa recall a late december phone call he had withhe former president. bannon told trump to focus on january 6th. that was the moment for a reckoning. people are going to go what the expletive is going on here, bannon believed. we are going to bury biden on january 6th. blank bury him. woodward and costa also report that the former president called bannon at the willard hotel in washington on january 5th. so you can see why members of the select committee, including republicans liz cheney and adam kinzinger want to know more. as for nearly every other republican on the rules committee today and throughout congress, it's a different story. congresswoman cheney closed her remarks today with a challenge to them which we think bears listening to in its fullness. >> i urge you to do what you know is right. to think of the long arc of history. we are told that it bends towards justice. but it does so, only because of the actions of men and women in positions of public trust. in many nations, democracy has failed because those with authority

know he tweets when he can. >> there are so many unanswered questions about president trump and bob woodward and i spent nine, ten months trying to answer as much as possible. what we found is that the story of january 6th was not actually just about that rally that day with president trump on the lectern, it was about president trump actively and aggressively mind the scenes using the pressure points of power on senators and congressmen, on vice president pence, on the department of justice to coordinate a full-fledged attempt to overthrow the election, to throw it to the house of representatives where he knew he could likely win another term. in finding out more details about that pressure campaign, we found some of them, woodward and i discovered the eastman memo by that conservative lawyer john eastman sketching out what many people are calling a guide book for a coup, but there's likely more and that's what the committee wants to find. >> when you look at what the president was doing, you're talking about that which you discovered on this very day january 6th. there were all those repor

>> at first when we began this project, bob woodward and i saw donald trump on january 6th as a passive figure, watching television as the insurrection happened on capitol hill. but after spending nine to ten months digging into the story, it became evident that democracy itself here in the united states is in peril, and it's because president trump when he was president was anything but passive, and donald trump now out of office is aggressive. it's easy to look at first as a reporter at the cascade of tweets and statements now with him out of office and just see words, but the reporting bears out action. he used power when he was in office to test democracy to the extreme. he's doing it again inside the republican party, to pressure republicans to say the election was stolen. this is such an important beat, democracy. it's not just red versus blue anymore. it's not just follow the money. it's follow the money, cover politic hes but most importantly, cover democracy. >> so it sounds like you're going to bring that back to "the post." political reporting is not what it was 10 or 20 year

as bob woodward, who i am going to speak to in just a moment, wrote in his new book, he said on the day of the insurrection, trump called pence. again, pressuring him to overturn the election. quote, if you don't do it, i picked the wrong man four years ago. you're going to wimp out. jessica dean is out front on capitol hill. and, jessica, the january-6th committee still trying to get trump loyalists to cooperate tonight. obviously, they had -- had, you know, hit some walls there. although, there were some that were seemingly, maybe, going along. what is the latest? >> well right now, erin, we know a couple things. number one, we know they had issued these subpoenas and we're waiting on some stragglers to get back to them. in fact, one trump aide, dan scavino, they couldn't find for weeks. they did find him over the weekend and we are waiting to hear from his lawyers if he will be cooperating or how he is going to move forward. meantime, we know some lawyers for former-president trump have told people that have been issued those subpoenas being instructed them not to comply and claim ex

. >> joining me now is robert costa, co-author of the book "peril" alongside bob woodward.now you tweeted about the hotel being a war room in the days before the attack on the capitol. tell us what happened there, and why it was so important. >> reporter: bob woodward and i found during the course of our reporting and we detail it in our book that the war room was the command center for rudy giuliani, steve bannon and others on the eve of the insurrection, january 5, 2021. one of our most important findings in the book is president trump called into this war room to talk to bannon and giuliani on the 5th after vice president pence left the white house. pence had resisted trump's pleas to try to move the election into the house of representatives. so you see in our book, a coordination of sorts, a communication between the white house, its own political command center and this outside command center at the willard. >> yeah. pretty extraordinary actually the details from the book, but let's turn to what was happening during the attack. your paper reported an an email exchange

. >> bob woodward spoke with the state secretary in july. 50 interviews he conducted with powell overe of 32 years. >> well, you see i have got to go to the hospital about two or three times a week. i have parkinson's disease and i have got myeloma cancer but otherwise, i am fine. >> oh, don't feel sorry. >> i have not lost a day of life. i am in good shape. >> joe, that was in july. you can still hear the life of general powell's voice. what a powerful figure. you listen to the speech we started the show of 1994 of the american families. i was watching that yesterday and you have to ask yourself who can make that speech today? who stand of that level of respect and authority that comes from general powell and risen up to this country and became a four-star general and commands the respect of republicans and democrats and people of all races in this country. it's hard to think of someone. >> he's, he stands alone. he has stood alone in public service for some time. i often talk about some of my friends and family members that will e-mail me or text me with conspiracy theories they fin

. >> reporter: he spoke to journalist bob woodward in july, in his final interview, opening up about his health struggles. >> i've got multiple myleloma cancer. >> don't feel sorry. i'm 84 years old. i haven't lost a day of life fighting two diseases. i'm in good shape. >> reporter: the blood cancer and parkinson's weakened his immune system, making him more susceptible to covid, even though he was vaccinated. he was the first black man to hold the positions of joint chief of staff and secretary of state. he was criticized for his u.n. speech to justify the invasion of iraq. >> there can be no doubt that saddam hussein has biological weapons. >> reporter: the weapons were never found. powell called it an intelligence failure. >> i'm the one that announced it to the world. and it will be part of my record. >> reporter: a long-time republican, the party wanted powell to run for president in 1996 and he declined. powell drifted away from the republican party when barack obama ran for president, saying this about senator obama. >> i'm troubled not by what senator mccain says but what mem

. >> reporter: in one of his last interviews, powell told reporter bob woodward -- >> don't feel for sorry me. for god's sakes. i haven't lost a day of life fighting these two diseases. >> one of president biden's cabinet secretaries has been diagnosed with covid. a department spokeswoman says homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas tested positive yesterday and is experiencing mild symptoms. she says that he is fully vaccinated and will isolate and work from home. mayorkas tested positive days after attending an event with the president. no word on if mr. biden has been tested for the coronavirus since then. >>> the suspected gunman in the school shooting massacre in parkland, florida, is expected to plead guilty today. authorities say nikolas cruz gunned down 14 students and three staff members at marjorie stoneman douglas high school in february of 2018. the plea will not come with conditions, meaning prosecutors can still seek the death penalty. that's something a jury will decide. the trial could start in january. >>> and this maryland couple accused of selling informatio

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also, we know about all this could you imagine what we don't know about so far, bob woodward's trumpooks have been called fear, rage and peril, but at this rate, he's going to have to call the next one, "get a load of this [ bleep ] guy." yet, pence is not doing the same song and dance as nikki haley and acting like that whole mob rise thing was no big deal >> the president and i sat down a few days later and talked through all of it. i can tell you that we parted amicably at the end of the administration, and we've talked a number of times since we both left office. but i believe that our entire focus today should be on the future i know the media wants to distract from the biden administration's failed agenda by focusing on one day in january. >> seth: one day in january? there was a day where a violent mob was chanting, "hang seth meyers. i wouldn't call it "one day in january," i would call it, "the day i moved to portugal and grew a beard. "one day in january" makes it sounds like a sports movie starring al pacino as a past his prime football coach "boom! all right. let's pick a

. >> reporter: in one of his last interviews powell told reporter bob woodward "don't feel sorry for me for god's sake. i haven't lost a day of life fighting these two diseases." ia recent study showed people who got johnson & johnson shot, getting either a pfizer or moderna booster isn't just safe. it could even be better protection against infection than another j&j shot. norah. >> o'donnell: really important information, lilia luciano, thank you. well, tonight, we wanted to take a look at the first responders in america who are willing to lose their jobs instead of following covid vaccine mandates. and with police and fire departments already stretched thin, many are wondering what does this mean now for public safety? cbs' jeff pegues takes a closer look. >> i'm wrapping up my last shift after 20 years. >> reporter: on his last day as a spokane, washington, firefighter, tim archer recorded this message: >> i'll be fired tonight by the city of spokane. >> reporter: he joins about 20 other colleagues who have also been relieved for resisting the state's vaccine mandate. why didn't

and in fact, if you look both the bob woodward's book, if you look at reporting in the new york times, the national security council staff, these very people in early january 2020, we're raising red flags about the dangers of cobra. they were doing exactly what they were intended to do. the problem was not a bureaucratic reshuffle within the n s. c staff. it was time on willingness to take proven seriously at the beginning because he worry, it would re, uh, re effect his re election efforts. do you see the, the world without a strategic columns, imitation treaty is getting more dangerous or less dangerous? well, i think it depends on what countries like russia and try to want to do with their strategic weapons. i think russia and the u. s. could find an accommodation we did when i served george w bush's his under secretary of state for arms control. we signed the treaty of moscow in 2002, which reduced the operationally deployed strategic nuclear forces. both countries think that's possible again, but i think you cannot do that in the absence of having china participate. but do you th

. >> you spent more time with bob woodward on this book then you spent analyzing the likely prospecternment would fall immediately. >> not even close, congressman. dan: must be clear, every reporter in the business, a bunch of book people when it comes to biden, crickets, i'm not telling you any about. >> i'll tell you about my conversations, here's how we begin to explain the hypocrisy because i don't think it's as simple as probe trump, anti- trump. i think everyone in this country most likely whether or not you are republican must recognize he represented a threat. he represented a threat to the status quo. mark milley wants to maintain above all else, the status quo and maintain control. a different kind of control and what i like about what you laid out, normal paradigm. dan: found out his podcast. >> but the paradigm doesn't fit what we are dealing with. this control is whether or not the system, represented by the military industrial contest represented by big pharma microsystem can maintain status quo. donald trump represented a threat status quo, he threatened that and that