bob woodward said to me it's almost reminded him of the send talking to the pictures on the walls in 1974 >> what's interesting about it and bob costa and i talked about this at length because when we discovered what hammond did, at this moment it's almost a mystical engagement trump has with the mob up there, the people and he's mesmerized by it and we discussed this. when nixon in his final days was talking to the pictures on the wall, nixon was talking to washington and lincoln. trump was talking to his mob. and that is his connection to the population. and it is the last lines in the book are peril remains. because trump and what he stands for is out there in the political world now. some polls show that he would be biting. he has 30 to 40 percent of the people believing that the election was stolen from him when you know, the biggest trump supporters, lindsey graham and senator mike lee investigated the charges and he came up and concluded it's zero but trump won't listen to his own allies who investigate and say there's nothing here. >> the book as these chapters about trump and

bob woodward said to me at almost reminded him of nixon talking to the pictures on the walls in 1974. >> what is interesting about it bob cost and i talked aboutmm this at length. but we discovered what happened at this moment it's almost eight mysticalth engagement that trump has with the mob out there. he is mesmerized by it. we discussed this and when nixon and his final days was talking to the pictures on the wall nixon was talking to washington and lincoln, trump was talking to his mob. that is his connection to the population the last are peril remains because trump and what he stands for is out there in the political world now some polls show he would be biden. trump is 30 -- 40% of the people believing the election was stolen from him the biggest trump supporters, lindsey graham and senator mikese lee investigated the charges and came up and concluded it was zero. trump will not listen to his own allies to investigate said there is nothing here. about trump and the final days of the trump administration. it also has chapters about about joe biden and the incoming biden adminis

bob woodward has been observing and reporting in washington half a century.e decades with the washington post remains an associate editor, he's covid ten presidents and shared to pullets appraisers. the watergate scandal and a second is the lead reporter for coverage of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. the books have made headlines and drawn many readers from his 21st all national book sellers. he half woodward stage as noted himself in the acknowledgment. he's already made a name for himself national political reporter where he's worked nearly eight years, several years of the national review. also serve as moderator and managing editor on pbs and political analyst for nbc news and msnbc. no doubt many of you watching have heard orr read some of the highlights. general billy has called with his chinese counterpart and trump possibly launching an attack or vice president mikek pence searching or whether indeed there was a way to reject the election results only to be told by none other than dan quayle to forget it. there's much more to this explosive page turner o

bob woodward has written number one best-selling books on the last nine presidents including nixon, ford, carter, reagan, george hw bush, clinton, or w bush, obama, and trust as well as the cia, joint chief, hollywood and the supreme court. his most recent book is carol, which he co-authored with robert costin the moderator for our opening discussion is douglas brinkley, in humanities and professor of history and bronx university and professor douglas brinkley is a best-selling author the grammy award-winning producer had he served as presidential historian for both new york post new york historical and sandinista a contributor to the new york times, the washington post, the boston globe and the author of numerous books in his most recent new york times bestseller, is american moonshine, john f. kennedy in the great space race. just before we begin i ask you please turn off your cell phones and other electronic devices and remember to keep your mask on. please note with the exception of her house photographer, we are not permitting photography this morning afraid and please join me in we

and bob woodward, you've seen a lot in washington, d.c.d december 30th, this is a week before january 6, before the insurrection, they -- steve bannon and trump are talking on the phone and bannon is just stirring trump up, saying you've got to come back. this is the day of reckoning in a week. we need to get pence involved here. we need to get him off the f'ing ski slopes where they stashed him away and it is very active and you start interlacing with what happened at the willard hotel, that night, january 5th. my colleague, costa who always has the news knows and was there that night. >> well i was outside. in that the whole scene, i mean banging on the door. i wish i had banged a little harder on that door. because it was a freezing cold night. and i was roaming around and i still remember, we talked about it, because when you write a book it takes months to understand the context of what is happening and what actually happened but that nice was eerie because we didn't know at time that trump is over at the white house pounding into pen

among other things as bob woodward said. go to the hard targets and don't get stopped by the roadblocks. there is so many times were bob caro who was told were not talking to you. it's robert moses. two years they were gonna lock up, everybody knows them and nobody's going to talk to you. did he stop, no. there is far too much journalism, access journalism if the main person will speak to people give up that means people have a veto power over what the market public learns and instead what the reporters need to do is say really. i think i will keep going and eventually wear them down. they realize you're going to do anyway. that happened on any number of occasions. you have to be persistent and polite and show that you're serious and you know what you're doing and read everything that you can get your hands on but eventually people given and if they don't usually there is a way around them. it's like scaling a concrete wall. i think this is what robert carol has shown the reason the amount of research that you do and everythi

that could have been a constitutional crisis. >> bob woodward, it's willie.essure from president trump. you have phone calls from the my in order leader kevin mccarthy to president trump. what was the general posture of kevin mccarthy, senator lindsey graham toward president trump? were they accommodating? supportive of his big lie and what was going on? what have we learned from some of those conversations? >> what's fascinating it's politics and pence is the model of this. pence is working hard to stay on the good side of trump at the same time as bob was pointing out. dan quayle reads him the constitution and the law. you are not an actor in this. you simply, mechanically count the votes. and pence is under lots of pressure from trump and his lawyers and confidants saying you cannot do this and in the end pence stood up and did the constitutional right thing at the same time when he's there and they're voting to certify, if he said i'm confused and walked off, we would have had worse than a constitutional crisis because it would have undermined the legitim

speakers include bob woodward and aquino address. exploring the american story what american is a repeat on c-span2 and find a schedule on our program guide or watch online anytime c-span.org/history. >> vermont senator patrick leahy spoke on the floor of the senate about his decision to retire after eight terms. first elected in 1974 is the current president pro tem and longest serving senator in the current congress. leahy announced his retirement at the state capital. his remarks last about five minutes. >> mister president. >> senator from vermont is recognized. >> i think the majority leader for his comments. he and i have been friends for decades. mister president, and i also acknowledge the distinguished secretary of the senate here this morning. mister president, eight times the voters of vermont who are my neighbors, my friends, my family have had the great faith to send me to the united states senate to represent them and yesterday i told those neighbors and friends and my family that i would not run for reelection . i told

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joining us now, senior political analyst carl bernstein and bob woodward.l the president's men in his final days." if the judge does grant all the documents about the former president, how damning do you think it could be for his and his allies? >> that may happen, but it will, of course, be appealed, and i think if you look at the nixon tapes case going back to 1974, the ruling was that a prosecutor can get, in the case of nixon, his tapes, but the senate watergate committee could not. i'm not sure the january 6 commission has really got a strong hand. but this is very important if you digest the mechanics of an investigation like this. liz cheney said if you talk to 150 people, you can get a name, you can get a list. i doubt if there is anything in these documents that is going to be the smoking gun, but they have to find a witness, a participant who will cooperate or some sort of secret taping system, so there's a great deal of work to be done here. >> carl, what do you make of how it's going so far? >> i think that the committee sat a great disadvantage

. >> joining us now is bob woodward, associate editor at "the washington post," co-author of the new book "peril" which chronicles the fraught transition of power from donald trump to joe biden. you bring some new information as well, i know that as we were looking at these subpoenas, let's talk specifically about john eastman, the attorney with that six-point plan at first. tell us what you discovered about a podcast that he did earlier this year in may. >> well, robert costa and i didn't discover this, but our assistant who is a lawyer, claire mcmullen, is just bombarding us with research and information and she discovered on may 5th, john eastman, in a podcast, now, this is before our book came out, specifically talked about the war room and the willard and said it was kind of coordinating all of the communication. and then in a very important legal point he said i would not normally talk about things like this, but i have been directed by the president of the united states at that time was trump, to tell and to talk, so he's weighed the privilege. and traditionally just -- judges

page 234 of bob woodward and rob acosta's book peril quotes jason miller in that meeting at the willard hotel telling the vice president's chief of staff by phone, quote, the vice president has the ability to do this. he needs to be loyal. bill stepien has experience as both a suspect and a witness in criminal investigations. he was one of chris christie's political operatives who survived the investigation known as bridgegate, which involved creating traffic jams on the george washington bridge to punish a new jersey mayor. the committee's letter to michael flynn states that he, quote, attended a december 18th 2020 meeting in the oval office during which participants discussed seizing voting machines, declaring a national emergency, invoking national security emergency powers and continuing to spread the message that the november 2020 election had been tainted by widespread fraud. and leading off our discussion tonight is democratic congressman adam schiff of california. he is a member of the january 6 select committee, and he is of course the chairman of the house intelligence committ

. >> i asked about the controversy and the criticism over milley's comments in that book by bob woodward and robert costa. several republicans calling on milley to resign you became a bit of a lightening rod recently we saw that in your appearances before congress can you tell us how that has impacted your job and if you have any regrets over being as forthcoming as you were with woodward >> well, i'm a soldier, and i serve at the pleasure of the president. when the president no longer finds me useful, then i move on until that day, i just continue to serve the country and serve the constitution and drive on >> part of my conversation with general milley here in washington in just 60 seconds, the stunning new allegations about that deadly shooting on a movie set. >>> the supreme court heard arguments today. the most important gun rights case in years how much protection does the second amendment provide for carrying guns in public gun rights advocates sued new york, which bans carrying a handgun openly and makes it hard to carry a concealed weapon a majority of the court seemed to agree

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but in that book "peril" bob woodward and robert costa r-79ed detailed conversations you had with the president, donald umt that time. on january 6 and that you knew there was no congressional authority to overturn the elecion. didn't indulging the doubters damage our democracy and our standing in the world? >> well, i haven't read that particular book, and i didn't happen to have any conversations with president trump on january 6. >> brennan: didn't you talk to him as they detail-- they detail a number of conversations you had in the book with the president about challenging the election. >> i have no ea what that book says, but i did not have any conversations with him on january 6. >> brennan: or leading up to january 6? >> i had many conversations with him in days and weeks and months leading up to january 6. i talked to the president sometimes as often as once a week or once a day. but my point is simple: under the constitution, congress has a role and has responsibility when it comes to certifyinganbjn electoral commission to review the claims of voter fraud and to assess and m

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but in that book "peril" bob woodward and robert costa r-79ed detailed conversations you had with thet you knew there was no congressional authority to overturn the elecion. didn't indulging the doubters damage our democracy and our standing in the world? >> well, i haven't read that particular book, and i didn't happen to have an

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speakers include bob woodward. exploring the american story. watch american history tv, saturday on c-span 2 and find this bet -- schedule on your program guide or watch online anytime at c-span.org/history. ms. psaki: a couple of items for you today. not much going on around here obviously could from the president's statement he issued this morning on the house passing the build back better agenda for the middle class, which came three weeks after the bipartisan infrastructure deal also passed. since this came through today, i want to highlight and note for the american people a couple of the big benefits that are in the package that we are looking forward to moving through the senate. today families pay $8,600 per year on pre-k. under this plan, most of them will play -- pay $0. the average family pays 13% of their income and under the president's plan,, no middle income will pay more than 7% of their income on childcare. two parents earning 100,000 dollars per year will say $5,000 per year. a family of four earning $80,000 per year will save

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according to the book "peril" by bob woodward and robert costa, on the days surrounding january 6, steve giuliani and others gathered at a hotel just two blocks from the white house, discussing plans to delay the certification. >> i'll tell you this. it's not going to happen the way you think it's going to happen. >> the day before on january 5th, bannon ominously teased what was to come on his podcast "war room." >> it's going to be quite extraordinary different. you've made this happen and tomorrow it's game day, so strap in. let's get ready. >> everything points to bannon was very closely associated with anything the campaign was doing. >> i think an overwhelming majority of that crowd was there to try to overturn democracy at that point, or the democratic process. >> bull! bull! >> i knew i was kind of the face of so-called the deep state and the republican party so i didn't want to be out in public too much so i never bring my gun into the capitol complex. i brought it that day. >> i was sort of nervous for the morning. i was curious to see what the rally was. i was hoping not to he

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and bob woodward one of the great interviewers and part of what makes my job easier is that people dieoff. and then meeting people in the eighties or nineties. it doesn't come up that much. maybe i'm overlooking something off the top of my head i cannot think about it. >> so what advice would you give students in the writing and thinking process? >> aside from turn every page? [laughter] [applause] >> we want to thank you again for so very much and all the panelist today for joining us on cement in person and bob's books are in the bookstore as well so stop by and pick up your favorite books. thank you again we hope to see you soon. [applause] [inaudible conversations]

and bob woodward one of the great interviewers and part of what makes my job easier is that people dieoff. and then meeting people in the eighties or nineties. it doesn't come up that much. maybe i'm overlooking something off the top of my head i cannot think about it. >> so what advice would you give students in the writing and thinking process? >> aside from turn every page? [laughter] [applause] >> we want to thank you again for so very much and all the panelist today for joining us on cement in person and bob's books are in the bookstore as well so stop by and pick up your favorite books. thank you again we hope to see you soon. [applause] here is an excerpt from one story . >> although us elements are here in one strike strength the weight of the attack is against the south korean capital division and their 13th regiment. this is the 10th week of the korean war and fighting on all fronts has reached apeak of fury . although at this time military spokesmen

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tv and tonight look at recent bestsellers will hear from the authors and journalists including bob woodward on their latest book and after that david hanson in his book the dying citizen later conservative commentator ben shapiro in his bestseller "the authoritarian moment" in a sarsen 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span anew can also access our programs online and booktv.org or follow along in c-span now and her new video app. >> i'm director of author events and i am pleased to introduce our guest. none of her testimony to p the u.s. house of representatives, during donald trump's 2019 impeachment hearings fiona hill has more than 30 years of experience on policy. in a senior fellow at the center of the united states and europe in the foreign policy programs at the institution, she's a former national security council official and former officer at the national intelligence rated in the co-author operative and siberian purse, a communist left russia and the cold and written extensively on strategic issues related to eastern europe and central asia. and "there is nothing for you here", she traces

what you just heard bob woodward say is, well, garland had two choices.ays no person shall be held for a capital or otherwise infamous crime except on indictment to the grand jury. that's almost exactly the text. what the supreme court has said, if that's a misdemeanor charge, you don't need a grand jury. that's what these two offenses are. what merrick garland did, he said it's kind of an infamous crime. i'm going to get the seal of approval of a grand jury to do this. he didn't have to do that to go after bannon but he did. woodward is right to say that discretionary act is a sign of confidence in his case. it gets the grand jury of one's peers to decide the case. the fact that merrick garland is a deep stater is ridiculous. it's the peers of bannon saying you should be indicted. >> and so then -- okay. so you have a grand jury. have i watched too many "law&order" episodes to know once you have a grand jury impaneled, can't they keep going? can't they keep looking into things? is this something where we're going to see the attorney general go back to th

night, i was interviewing robert costa from the "washington post" who co-authored "peril" with bob woodward. the news just broke of steve bannon been indicted. when one or the other of us made reference to that at this live event, there was applause in the room. my comment were to say if steve bannon were here, he would be applauding too. i think he loves to. having an appearance in federal court would be harrowing. today i expect he will put on that green army jacket and walk in there in a gadsden flag and reassert all of their mistaken claims of the election having been stolen. you made reference to the jonathan carl interview. trump doesn't back off from saying pence can be the p word or the patriots. instead, what does he say? it would have been a mistake to accept a fraudulent election. in answer to your question about mark meadows to a lesser extent but mostly steve bannon, i think they will try to use this process to, again, litigate their misrepresentation of what transpired in the most recent election. >> michael, i get that we're not there yet as in bannon is not testifying and ce

we'll hear from authors and journalists, including bob woodward and robert costa and their latest, "peril", and after that victor david hanson "the dying citizen", and later political commentator ben schiller ben shapiro and the authoritarian moment. and follow along on c-span now, our new video app. >> so, good evening. i'm roger kimball the editor and publisher of the new criterion. and i think i know most people in the audience so i'm not going to do anything elaborate. i'm going to take a page from that priest that wh auden instructed about, those who came for confession, would be brief, be blunt and be gone. [laughter] >> so, just three things. three things. first, welcome, welcome to you, our friends, friends. new criterion. we would not be having events like this were it not for your support. so thank you for coming. and welcome, welcome. and the reason for this event, of course, is beside the new criterion's 40th anniversary and please take-- feel free to take a magazine, is the launch of victor davis hanson's important new book "the dying citizen." his publisher, which to my grea