to begin with, you know, bob zoellick himself coined the responsible stakeholder idea where we engagena to make it a responsible stakeholder in the world. it's certainly true that approach had its limits and we needed to get tougher with china. but it wasn't a total failure. you know, china's rise was good for the global economy. it raised hundreds of millions of people out of poverty in china and elsewhere. and china is a player in the global system. it is also true that china is pushing its military power, its technological power in ways we need to stand up to. but it shouldn't be a new cold war. that's looking backwards. furthermore, it's letting china set the agenda. china pushes and we try to block and now we're pushing it at every turn to almost try to deliberately create a crisis. but the point is, china has a vision. it has a vision of what china is going to be technologically advanced by 2025 and by 2049, 100 years after the revolution, it wants to be a high-end income country. it has a vision for itself in the world. we need to be competing with china by our own vision of wh

development and the former director of management and mubudget in the obama administration and bob zoellickhis new book is "america in the world: a history of u.s. diplomacy and foreign policy." sean, first, we just heard from a single mother in texas, she got an eviction notice. there's going to be a 3:30 meeting among the negotiators but there are divisions on all sides. what about the housing instability that all of this is causing, and putting people out in the streets, potentially, having them move in with relatives, older relatives? we're spreading the virus, potentially, as these people are going to be evicted. >> absolutely, andrea. and it's great to be with you, great to see you again. look, we know shah nearly one in three americans these last few months is unable to pay their full rent or their full mortgage. this is not just one person in texas. this is widespread across the country. and it is absolutely urgent. we just had an expiration of the federal moratorium on evix vive. there are many states that followed suit like texas and the benefits are expiring. we know, as you said