neil: bill barr, talking to you, give a sense he winces at the that he is in the pocket of the president? no one said that about john kennedy utilizing the services of his brother bobby kennedy as attorney general, or the attorney general -- >> eric holdwer barack obama. neil: does he, did you get a sense that that is something which he chastens? >> no he said very interesting thing to me. he said there are only two types of people who can really take this job, these positions. people who are too young to know the potential, how damaging the consequences could be for their career and people who are too old to care. he said i'm in the latter position. he really, gave me the impression that this is all these accusations against him are water off a duck's back. he was attorney general 25 years ago. neil: that's right. in his position he doesn't need to kowtow to anyone. >> you can argue again, he said things maybe make him a little partisan, i would argue not much more than any other attorney general but his specific criticisms of the process that led to the russia investigation into president trump are pretty valid and once more, and once more, well-supported by the re