in houston, it's space, in the southwest, west virginia, it's bobby byrd, it was jack murtha in johnstown, pennsylvania. why do people have this disconnect. they know that the government creates jobs, every time in our life, we know that world war ii saved us economically. all our experience is that the government crease jobs and you hear eric cantor with this religious notion of some kind that somehow this belief in small business means the government shouldn't do anything. when small business is the area of the economy that does best when the government spends money. >> small business is the companies that get started around a big project that the government funds, that's how it works. you get, that's, it's a feeder system. small business doesn't start first. >> why do they keep saying that government spending is bad when we know we need to have somebody spend and the consumers is scared, the investor is scared. if the government has got the nerve to do it, don't they have to do it? we studied this in school. we learned it from history, we learned it from parents, talking about jobs reo