. >> i've heard corporate leaders like jamie dimon and bobby coatic say people coming from the military are the perfect employees. they may not know what to do at your business place, but they know how to follow orders, they know how to achieve an objective and they're incredibly hard workers. do you think people recognize that >> i think so. everything is built around taking care of one another, it's built into everything that we do, you eat together, sleep together, travel together, do missions together. and if you feel like you're failing and not keeping up, someone always has your back when you go into the civilian word and corpora world and corporate world, there's a lot less team work and it's a difficult transition for some to make. >> it's hard to think that having that in the work plates wouldn't -- place, that would be a great thing. >> absolutely. >> how different it is right now just given what a strong jobs market it is, how much has that helped things? >> i think it's fantastic. the overall veteran unemployment right now is 2.9%. post-9/11 it's 3.1%. companies have done a