trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engle. >> o'donnell: president trump was warned for days not to interfere with the electoral count of the votes by his own white house counsel. >> we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable. >> o'donnell: tonight's other top headlines: how long the socialite who help jeffrey epstein abuse young girls will face behind bars. plus the rush on the morning after pill after the supreme court abortion ruling. and the new details in the deadly migrant tragedy in texas. ♪ ♪ ♪ this is the "cbs evening news" with norah o'donnell, reporting from the nation's capital. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> o'donnell: good evening, to our viewers in the west and thank you for joining us on this busy tuesday night. as we detail for you the bombshell testimony today in the january 6 hearing. history is important. during the watergate hearings 50 years ago, there was only one surprise witness. it was alexander butterfield, who revealed there was a white house taping system. hea well, in the january 6 hearings, the surprise witness is cassidy hutchinson. then-chief o

she says president trump's chief secret service agent, bobby engle, refused to bring him to the u.s. capitol just after he directed a crowd of his supporters there. >> the president reached up toward the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engle grabbed his arm, said, "sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel." mr. trump used his free hand to lunge toward bobby engle. >> reporter: the committee played videotaped testimony when she recalled a conversation with her boss, trump white house chief of staff mark meadows. >> they were getting close. have you talked to the president? he said, he wants to be alone right now. >> reporter: she testified that white house counsel pat cipollone approached meadows about trying to stop the violence. >> i remember pat saying something to the effect of "mark, we need to do something more. they're literally calling for the vice president to be effing hung." and mark had responded something to the effect of, "you heard it, pat, he thinks mike deserves it." >> reporter: hutchinson said she understood that president trump

trump then used his free hand to lung toward bobby engle and when mr.ng it to me, he grabbed his clavicle. >> chief of staff tony onoto, said he would testify to it under oath. and the agency is not denying the former president was angry about not being taken to the capitol. only whether or not there was an altercation. but now other trump white house aides, communications director alyssa ferrot and olivia troy are pushing back against the supposed denial. they say this wouldn't be the first time he denied conversations with he had with his former colleagues and orn atto to to the white house adviser was highly unprecedented at the time. it is still employed right now by the secret service. >> he obviously is a trumper. he's all in. could we put up those tweets again before we bring in carol. i just want to look and see. there is a guy that -- went from being secret service guy to working for trump, to secret service guy. olivia troy said, tony onaughto. those of us would worked with tony know where's his loyalties lie. he should testify under oath. and

trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engle and when mr. rinoto recounted the story to me, he motioned towards his clavicles. >> to be clear, we do not have any corroborating evidence from the story and both of the secret service agents testified before the committee. i don't know if they were asked about that story or if they have a contradiction, but congressman raskin said they haven't heard anything contradictory about it. still, a very stunning image and i think it was jeffrey toobin who noted if somebody told you 15 minutes before the hearing we would hear this scene, you would say, come on, that's not going to happen. >> and then 15 minutes after, you say i bet donald trump would do something like that actually, because i gasped out loud when i heard her describe it, but he was so erratic that day. to know, if you have ever worked a presidential event, take down the mags, like, that is protocol 101. you don't go into a presidential event without magnetometers. >> remember the guns come nothing to this event were not for him. >> his p

trump then used his free hand to lumpleg towards bobby engle. >> o'donnell: president trump was warneds not to interfere with the electoral count of the votes by his own white house counsel. tonight's other top headlines:

trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engle, and when mr.ony ornato had recounted the story to me, he motioned towards his clavicle's. >> joining us now, congress man adam schiff, a member of the january six committee. and the lead impeachment manager for the first impeachment trial of donald trump, in the united states senate. congressman schiff, do you have any other evidence about what happened in that car? >> i can't comment on other evidence or testimony before the committee. all i can say is that i found cassidy hutchinson to be a thoroughly credible witness. telling us what she saw, what she heard. she was very careful to differentiate when she was a participant in the conversation, or actions were related to her by others. she was careful to tell us what she didn't know. and as a former prosecutor, the meaning of those are all in a show of reliability, and credibility as a witness. i found her account to be very very credible. i also thought frankly. of all of her testimony what was most important and i found most shocking is that th

trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engle. when mr.o recounted this story to me, he motioned towards his clavicles. >> reporter: it wasn't the first time trump had exploded in rage. hutchinson described seeing what happened a month earlier after attorney general bill barr declared there was no significant fraud in the election. >> ms. hutchinson, how did the president react to hearing that news? >> i first noticed there was ketchup dripping down the wall. there's a shattered porcelain plate on the floor. the valet had articulated that the president was extremely angry at the attorney general's ap interview and had thrown his lunch against the wall. >> miss hutchinson, was this the only instance that you are aware of where the president threw dishes? >> it's not. there are several times throughout my tenure with the chief of staff that i was aware of him either throwing dishes or flipping the tablecloth to let all the contents of the table go onto the floor and likely break or go everywhere. >> reporter: on january 6th, even after he re

the presidential limo, in which trump tried to grab the wheel, and lunged at secret service agent bobby englehen his demand to go to the capitol january 6th was denied. >> the president said something to the effect of, "i'm the f'ing president. take me up to the capitol now." >> reporter: a source close to the secret service denied that account but offered no explanation and she stands by her testimony yesterday. >> miss hutchinson testified under oath in front of millions of people. all we've heard is some anonymously sourced report that somebody disagrees with that. >> reporter: some witnesses told the committee they felt pressured by trump allies ahead of their testimony to remain loyal to the former president. congressman raskin says that amounts to witness tampering, which, if proven, could lead to a charge of obstruction of justice. norah. >> o'donnell: i think we'll hear more about that. scott macfarlane, thank you. former r&b superstar and convicted sex predator r. kelly is likely to spend much of the rest of his life in prison after a judge handing down a 30-year prison sentence toda

trump then used his free hand to launch towards bobby angle -- bobby engle, he made a motion towardslavicle's. >> was he in the room as you were being told this story? >> he was. >> did mr. engle correct or disagree with any part of the story? >> he did not correct or disagree with any part of the story. ros: let's bring in anthony z., joining us from washington. we have heard a lot of accounts of what happened that day. why is this testimony different? >> well, this testimony is diffent because this is firsthand testimony -- at least in some of these instances -- of what was going on in the white house at that rally, at the ellipse, a grassy area outside the white house. she testified how trump knew there were members of the relic road who had weapons and he said -- rally crowd who had weapons and he said to go to theapitol . you could say ths hearsay. like trump trying to takthe wheel from a secret service agent or donald trump saying that he sympathized with protesters, rioters at the capitol saying they wanted to hang mike pence. in that case, that was something hutchinson said m

trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engle. >> o'donnell: president trump was warned days not to interfere with the electoral count of the votes by his own white house counsel. >> we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable.

the presidential limo, in which trump tried to grab the wheel, and lunged at secret service agent bobby engle. >> the president said something to the effect of, "i'm the f'ing president. take me up to the capitol now. the the. >> reporter: a source close to the secret service denied that accusation. >> miss hutchinson testified under oath in front of millions of people. all we've heard is some anonymously sourced report that somebody disagrees with that. >> reporter: some witnesses told the committee they felt pressured by trump allies ahead of their testimony to remain loyal to the former president. congressman raskin says that amounts to witness tampering, which, if proven, could lead to a charge of obstruction of justice. norah. >> o'donnell: i think we'll hear more about that. scott macfarlane, thank you. former r&b superstar and convicted sex predator r. kelly is likely to spend much of the rest of his life in prison after a judge handing down a 30-year prison sentence today. as cbs' jericka duncan reports, it was an emotional day at the courthouse in brooklyn. >> reporter: r. kelly show

. >> tony ornato and bobby engle. >> i know them very well. they're sterling. and it was very nice they came to my defense. i thought it was incredible, because some whack job can say this stuff and get away with it? >> tony ornato, we should note, was not serving as a secret service agent during this period. he had been granted a waiver to suspend his time to serve in a political position, as trump's deputy white house chief of staff. cnn has asked him and the secret service for comment. we have not heard back. liz cheney said tony ornato should come forward and testify under oath. all of this, all of this is for us to consider as we move forward and try to learn the truth about all the ways that donald trump and his team tried to usurp democracy, which is what this is all about. joining us now to discuss, former attorney general under president george bush alberto gonzales and white house counsel for the 43rd president. we heard liz cheney say in that speech, republicans cannot both be loyal to donald trump and loyal to the constitution. do you agree? do you

him walk to the capitol and escorted him to his car, driven by the head of his security detail, bobby engleesident of the united states did this: >> the president said something to the effect of, "i am the f'ing president. take me up to the capitol now". to which bobby responded, "sir, we have to go back to the west wing." the president reached up toward the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engel grabbed his arm, said, "sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel." >> stephen: that is insane. but it is going to make a great season premiere of "kleptocrats in cars seizing power." ( laughter ) ( applause ) and-- ♪ ♪ ♪ ( applause ) true story. and he didn't give up. >> mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge toward bobby engel, and when mr. ornato had recounted the story to me, he had motioned toward his clavicles. >> stephen: he went for the throat! when you get into the secret service, you know you have to take one for the president, but you never expect to take one from the president. "thank you for your service. let's keep this part secret." the limo wa

trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engle and when he recounted the story to me, he motioned toward his clavicles. >> that was cassidy hutchinson relaying what the secret service agent in charge told her, and so it's a story that only engle and rinoto i think were present for, she was not. she did not see it happen. do you have any corroborating evidence? you have interviewed both rinoto, the committee has interviewed rinoto and engle, two secret service agents. do you have any corroborating evidence that that story is true or do you only have it from cassidy hutchinson. >> well, the story she told is the evidence that i'm aware of, at least within -- >> her story is the only version you know. >> i have not seen anything to contradict it, and it's corroborated by everything we know about donald trump's eagerness to not just incite this march and assemble the march and form the march and exhort the people in the march, but also to participate in it. he wanted to go into it. and you know, he's being told by the white house counsel, being told by others, don't do this. a

trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engle when mr.nato motioned towards his cliffassify cals. in there the president says this is laughable. she was essentially the chief of staff to the chief of staff. you can not push aside who she was and the access she had. the secret service said in a statement yesterday, the agents involved are prepared to testify under oath. they are told those agents dispute those accounts somewhat. if you are in trump land, you refuse to listen and you laugh at her credibility. >> absolutely. that is one of the things, i was testifying to aides, that's what they were saying, trying to diminish her role. before trump said i barely knew her. she was barely around. many people were for a lot of these lawmakers close to trump at the time saying she tried to stay on after leaving the white house and we all pushed back. we said she isn't credible. she isn't trump worthy. her testimony isn't going to sway anyone within the base. it's not going to sway voters. this is not top of mind for them. when it comes to this u

trump then used his free hand to lunge toward bobby engle and when had recounted this story to me, motioned towards his clavicles. >> and was mr. engle in the room as mr. ornato told you this story? >> he was. >> did mr. engle correct or disagree with any part of the story from mr. ornato? >> mr. engle did not correct or disagree with any part of the story. >> did mr. engle or ornato after that tell you that what mr. ornato said was untrue. >> neither told me ever that it was untrue. >> trump in part, denying some of the damning claims from hutchinson's testimony she made under oath. pamela brown is out front live on capitol hill. what more are you learning tonight. >> reporter: erin, i spoke to a capitol police officer who was here on january 6th and heard the hearing today, said he felt a sense of betrayal listening to cassidy hutchinson's testimony, relaying the warning signs chief of staff and mark meadows willfully ignored time and time again and while it was shocking to white house aides, one former aide of trump i spoke to said it was all 100% believable as well given how chaotic thi

trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engle. when mr.anaudo recounted the story to me, he motioned toward his clavicles. >> chelsea: that is no way to treat the secret service. that is how you treat a contestant in the dressing room of the miss universe pageant. [ laughter and applause ] sadly, there is no footage of trump grabbing the wheel, but i imagine it would look something like this. [ laughter ] hutchinson also relayed details of what happened when trump's attorney general, bill barr, told him there was no evidence of election fraud. >> the valet had articulated that the president was extremely angry at the attorney general a's ap interview and had thrown his lunch against the wall. which was causing him to have to clean up. so i grabbed a towel and started wiping the ketchup up to help the valet out. >> chelsea: melania also has to wipe things off the wall after their annual mar-a-lago penetration. [ laughter and applause ]if you story sa bit off, trump apparently did stuff like this all the time. >> are there other instances yo

for instance, the secret service, the leader of the secret service, bobby engle. is he on the witness list? is there other testimony that we're going to hear that might corroborate some of those very specific details that at this point are heresy? >> well, i don't have any further details on that right now. i'll just say that i found her testimony 100% credible. she would have no reason to make any of that up. and the committee remains determined to get all of the evidence we can from all of the material witnesses that are out there. so we'll continue to pursue all of the facts and all of the leads. >> one last question, we're out of time. liz cheney at the end of this hearing pointed out what sure did sound like witness tampering, saying people were -- there was outreach to some witnesses saying hey, as long as i continue to be a team player, they know i'm on the right team, doing the right thing, trump reads transcripts, he knows your loyal. it sounds like mob talk. in your view, is there witness tampering or obstruction? criminal obstruction going on from team

standing by her testimony as sources who were close to the secret service claim that ornato and bobby engleho trump allegedly lunged at, who testified under oath that what hutchison testified about did not happen. what do you make of those claims, and the effort to cast doubt on cassidy hutchinson's testimony? >> her testimony under oath wasn't about what happened, because she wasn't there. it was that mr. ornado told her that. and that mr. engle was present and didn't deny it. we will see if they want to come under oath and deny it, fine. the real point is, no one is denying that the former president wanted to go to the capitol and lead this armed mob, and be there while they attacked the capitol. that is the point. and it -- no one can deny it. that she actually heard the president himself talk about removing the effing mags, and that the armed supporters were not going to hurt him, that they can march from the ellipse to the capitol it is stunning, and the most important revelation of all of the things she testified to. >> one of the reports today said that hutchinson was one of the witn

trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engle.ney general's ap interview. and had thrown his lunch against the wall. >> they were literally calling for the vice president to go f'ing home. and he responded you heard him, he thinks he deserves it. said something to the effect of and very clearly, mark, something needs to be done or people are going to die and the blood's going to be on your f'ing hands. >> a former aide, delivered a bombshell at the january 6

trump then used his free handing to lunge towards bobby engle. when mr. ornato told me the story he motioned towards his clavicles. >> hutchinson described the moment rioters were closing in on the capitol she said the white house counsel went straight to mark meadows urging action. >> and i remember pat saying to him something to the effect of the rioters have got to the capitol, mark. we need to go down and see the president now. and mark looked up at him and said he doesn't want to do anything, pat. and pat said something to the effect of, and very clearly said this to mark, something to the effect of, mark, something needs to be done or people are going to die and the blood is going to be on your effing hands. >> today hutchinson also revealed that rudy giuliani and her boss, the chief of staff, mark meadows, were among those who asked for a presidential pardon in the aftermath of january the 6th. >> did rudy giuliani ever suggest that he was interested in receiving a presidential pardon related to january 6th? >> he did. >> ms. hutchinson, did white

trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engle. when mr.ioned towards his clavicle. >> part of my job is to ask the straightforward question so we don't lose the threat. if a nonpresident did this, any other person, civilian or employee, in your experience -- that, clashing with a secret service agent, what would happen to them? >> likely would have been arrested in the moment. in fact, if that occurred inside of the presidential vehicle, it would have stopped, which the video shows it did, because people need to keep -- when they leave, then it stops, that's the moment all of that's happening, right? at that moment any other person would have been pulled out of the truck and arrested but it's the president, so that's not what happens here. it's a different circumstance, and the agents handled it the best they can under those circumstances, but that doesn't mean other authorities shouldn't look at that. and that there could be ramifications from that. >> how could you not? michael, to let you finish, he talk about, oh, he could shoot someon

trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engle, and when mr.ounted the story to me, he motioned towards his clavicle's. >> joining us now, congress man adam schiff, a member of the january six committee. and the lead impeachment manager for the first impeachment trial of donald trump, in the united states senate. congressman shift, do you have any other evidence about what happened in that car? >> i can't comment on other evidence or testimony before the committee. all i can say is that i found cassidy hutchinson to be a thoroughly credible witness. telling us what she saw, what she heard. she was very careful to differentiate when she was a participant in the conversation, or actions were related to her by others. she was careful to tell us what she didn't know. and as a former prosecutor, the meaning of those are all in a show of reliability, and credibility as a witness. i found her account to be very very credible. i also thought frankly. of all of her testimony what was most important and i found most shocking is that the presidents acknow

trump then used his freehand to lunge towards bobby engle and when mr.ronato he referred to his clavicles. >> it waint the first time the president exploded in rage describing the ketchup she saw dripping down the wall after trump learned his attorney general bill barr had publicly rejected trump's false claims of election fraud. >> the valet had articulated that the president was extremely angry at the attorney general's a.p. interview and had thrown his lunch against the wall. >> as trump supporters reached the capitol on january 6th and violently forced their way inside, she says the chief of staff initially did nothing. >> said, hey, are you watching the tv, chief? he said, yeah. the rioters are getting really close. have you talked to the president? he said no. he wants to be alone right now. hutchinson said cipollone finally got meadows' attention. something to the effect of mark, something needs to be done or people will die and the blood will be on your f-ing hands. she said the president was unmoved even when told that his supporters were chanti

trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engle. the valet had articulated that the president was extremely angry at the attorney general's ap interview. and had thrown his lunch against the wall. >> they were literally calling for the vice president to go f'ing home. and he responded you heard him, he thinks he deserves it. said something to the effect of and very clearly, mark, something needs to be done or people are going to die and the blood's going to be on your f'ing hands. >> a former aide, delivered a bombshell at the january 6 hearing. cassidy hutchinson testified that donald trump and chief of staff mark meadows ignored warnings about potential violence before the attack and did nothing to stop it once the attack was under way. according to hutchinson, trump knew there were weapons in the crowd but during his speech at the ellipse, still ordered his supporters to march to the capitol. and new details about efforts close to trump to intimidate witnesses who have cooperated in the congressional investigation. >>> good morni

bobby responded, sir, we have to go back to the west wing. the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. englend off the steering wheel. we're going back to the west wing. there were several times throughout my tenure with the chief of staff that i was aware of him either throwing dishes or flipping the table cloth to let all the contents of the table go onto the floor. as an american, i was disgusted. it was unpatriotic. it was un-american. we were watching the capitol bidding get defaced over a lie. it's still -- i still struggle to work through the emotions of that. >> did rudy giuliani ever suggest that he was interested in receiving a presidential pardon related to january 6th? >> he did. >> did white house chief of staff mark meadows ever indicate that he was interested in receiving a presidential pardon related to january 6th? >> mr. meadows did seek that pardon, yes, ma'am. >> so that was conservative congresswoman liz cheney interviewing under oath a conservative white house staffer, both of them republicans. so how are republicans on capitol hill reacting? melanie zanona has that sto