the same with bobby engle, a lot of these relationships had been scrutinized as these new details about the secret service's actions on the day of january 6th. i wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow, we do see some potential communications that go beyond tony ornato and bobby engle, of people in the service who may have been a little bit more sympathetic to the insurrectionists then we would like for people who serve in the federal government to be. >> jacqueline, where do things stand with tony ornato testifying behind closed doors with the committee? there is so much confusion about what exactly happened on january 6th, between the secret service and donald trump. >> right now, where attorney ornado stands is that he is no longer a government employee. he actually resigned the day that he was supposed to conduct an interview with the department of homeland security inspector general as part of an internal investigation into his actions with regard to january 6th. he has also yet to appear in for another january 6th interview with the congressional committee investigating the insurrection

altercation and president trump's suv between trump and the head of the secret service detail, bobby engle. englewood not drive trump to the capitol to join the rioters. >> the president said something to the effect of, on the effing president, take me up to the capitol now. to which bobby responded, sir, we need to go back to the west wing. the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engel grabbed his arm, said, sir, take your hand off the steering wheel. we're going back to the west wing, we're not going to the capitol. mr. trump and xi's free hand to lunge towards bobby engle, and with -- [interpreter] he had emotion towards his clavicle. >> when cassidy hutchinson says mr. ornato is telling our the story, she is referring to tony ornato, a central figure in all this drama around the secret service. or not it was an agent on trump's protective detail for his first two years as president until he left to work at the secret service headquarters. then shrunk brought him back not as a secret service agent but as a top official in the net layi

trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engle, and when mr. renata had recounted the story to me, he motioned towards his clavicle's. >> when cassidy hutchinson says mr. ornado, was telling her story, she is referring to tony ornato, who is kind of a central figure in all this drama around the secret service. he was an agent on trump's protective detail, for his first two years as president, before he left to go work in secret service headquarters. but then trump brought him back, not as a secret service agent, but as a top official in the west wing, a deputy chief of staff. that was an unprecedented move, no one had ever heard of a secret service agent being put into a job like that, especially because of the strictly apolitical nature of the secret service. in the aftermath of cactus city hutchinson's testimony, an anonymous secret service officials told both reporters that tony ornato, and bobby engle would testify that the altercation, the one cassidy hutchison described, that never happened. that neither of those men ever did give that te

a political role helping donald trump, and bobby engle, who is the head of president trump's security detail, are likely to be re-interviewed the question that has arisen for the committee is to fault. first, that both men have said that they didn't recall certain things, and he didn't see any intel of concern, they don't remember certain things happening, that other witnesses said happened and the record seemed to raise serious concerns about the possibility that they could not have known these things. the most important and obvious so far is tony aeronautics claim that he was not aware of any intelligence that pose a threat to the protectees that they protect, the president and vice president. that is just impossible. all of the emails and all of that chatter and everything that protective intelligence agencies and side of the secret service was receiving, it -- for the protection january six. we're gonna have a rally with a president where people were going to have assault rifles they were going to go to the capital with a vice president. the second part ali, it is the issue of did

trump then used his free hand to lunch towards bobby engle. >> okay, after that happened, we heard severalthe secret service not under oath refute this, call her a lawyer -- call or a liar, say they're gonna go under oath and call -- maker tell the truth. that never. happen tomorrow, carol, are we going to see more, are we gonna see a follow-up to that? because she was called a liar up and down by members of the gop. and no one refuted it in realtime. >> you know, i think one of the problems that will be disappointing to people tuning in tomorrow as i do not think we are going to hear document -able evidence that there is a physical or a altercation in that sports utility vehicle, staff, that the president was being told, sorry, we are not going to the capitol, we're going to the west wing. i do not think we want to hear that. but what sources have told me repeatedly is we are going to hear affirmation and cooperation of that started learning bombshell testimony that cassidy hutchinson gave prior to this moment. and that is the president knew people were armed. he knew people had weapons a

you know, i never talked about this before, but i went to high school with bobby engle, the secret service agent who trump choked in the back, you know, of the suv, and that guy was a marine, a straight shooter, who had a long career in the secret service that was distinguished. and then trump comes along and he has a way of sort of inveigling himself in with these kind of guys and how is your family and all this stuff. he smooth talks them and then next thing they know, they're sitting in an suv with him and he's saying take me to the capitol. you know, while we attack it. and i think before you know it, you're involved in his criminality, and then people worry about their own culpability. and they shut up because there's a lot of poem saying, hey, don't say anything. we'll get you out of this. and if you look at trump's track record, he has gotten most people out of things. he hasn't really been held accountable, so you know, it obviously shows a lack of moral clarity, but he knows how to find those kind of people. >> and until he's not helping you at all. that leads me to roger stone. r

trump then used his free hand to lung towards bobby engle. >> i remember pat saying to him something to the effect of the rioters got into the capitol, mark, we need to go down and see the president now and marked looked up at him and said he doesn't want to do anything, pat. >> because he liked it. now all that blockbuster testimony came back in june. now stwoesht reporting that the committee austin powers to have corroborated all of it from that reporting, quote, the probably final public hearing of the house committee investigating the january 6th, 2021 attack on the u.s. capitol is expected to the high lie newly obtained secret service records showing how president donald trump was repeatedly alerted to brewing violence that day and he still sought to stoke the conflict. surveillance footage the committee plans to share was taken near the elimits that morning before the speech and shows throngs of supporters clustered just outside the corralled area tore the stop the steal real. some concluded they stayed outside the rally area to avoid having their weapons cop physical kated. th

as soon as the president left his motorcade, leadership from the secret service contacted bobby engleresidential detail. and warned that there were quote, concerned about and otr, an off-the-record movement to the capitol. the people sworn to protect the safety of the president of the united states and who routinely put themselves in harm's way, where convinced that this was a bad idea. secret service documents also revealed how agents were poised to take president trump to the capitol later that afternoon. agents were instructed to non protective gear, and prepare for a movement. a few minutes later, they were told that the president would leaf or capital into hours. was not until 1:55 pm, the president lead secret service agent told them to stand down. we are not doing it out er to the capitol. by, then riders have breached the capitol and were violently attacking the efforts of the brave men and women in lawson forsman trying to resist the mob. president trump may not have known to the capitol on january 6th, but what he did from the white house could not be justified. while congre