i want to very quickly go to bobby ghosh.omething you said right after we went off the air. this, you say, is the most successful terrorist operation in history, and talk about the gains they have made in iraq. stung figures you gave us. >> yes, joe. isis now controls a territory larger than the country of jordan. there are six, 7 million people living in that territory. that alone makes them incredibly successful. they control borders between iraq and syria and one border post between iraq and jordan and 17 miles off saudi arabia. no terrorist group, not even al qaeda has held this much territory and been able to govern. they are not simply blowing stuff up and killing people, they are actually governing. this is the scale of the problem that iraq faces and if the rest of the world says, it's their problem, not ours, we have another thing coming. a group this successful they will not confine themselves to iraq for very long. >> bobby, you're exactly right. when we have a terrorist group that controls an area and it's stagger

bobby ghosh and paul eaves is a senior advisor at the national network. they told the shia to take up arms against a powerful suny militant group. i.s.i.s. has taken over several areas and is going to march on baghdad. senators john mccain and lindsey gram are talking. today the president is considering his options. the united states will help but ultimately it's up to the iraqis to solve their own problems. let's watch. >> we will not be sending u.s. troops back into combat in iraq but i have asked my national security team to prepare a range of options that could help secure iraq security forces and any action we may take to provide assistance to iraqi security forces has to be joined by a serious and sincere effort by iraq's leaders to set aside sectarian differences, to promote stability and account for the legitimate interests of all of iraq's communities. we can't do it for them and in the absence of this type of political effort short-term military action including any assistance we might provide won't succeed. >> we can't do it for them. john f. k

bobby ghosh as well. >> any time. you. >> all the talk about geopolitics and the machinations of politicians, it's important to just pause for a moment and remember what has happened here over the last week, and the death toll and the deaths of people whose names we won't even remember or don't even know i should say whose stories we will never know. but people who are trying to live good and decent lives, trying to raise their children, just trying to live in peace who ended up being killed. take a look at the scene in a northern shia town today as families grieve 31 people killed in an assault by isis. townspeople say isis fighters attacked three villages with mortars and then burned houses, bodies of the victims were brought to a mosque for prayers before being buried. >>> coming up, the counterterrorism czar who warned the bush administration about al qaeda before the september 11th attacks joins me. we're going to hear what richard clark thinks about isis, whether the u.s. should have gotten involved in iraq in t

joining us now, international editor for "time" magazine, bobbie ghosh.out hillary clinton in the break. we'll have to have you back on that. let's talk about the prisoner swap. now that the dust is beginning to settle and taking a longer view with this as days go by, what stands out to you as the biggest problem concern with this, if any? >> well the taliban is also taking the longer view, ordinary afghanistans are taking the view and the view is not about these five people. the taliban was perfectly capable of operating without them, killing people without these five people. it's not going to make a huge difference to their military ability. but what this episode does, it -- the taliban made a deal with the united states, the largest military power in the world. it gives them legitimacy. that's what is going to be part of that propaganda and it is. they feel like -- they never felt -- they don't think of themselves as a terrorist group. they don't think of themselves as a military group. they think of themselves as a government in exile. that's how they

g bobby ghosh from "time" magazine. appreciate it. >> frightening and insightful.that conversation. >>> coming up on "new day," we will promise the five taliban prisoners we traded for bowe bergdahl, we were promised they. a congressman who has seen the deal joins us live. >>> we also have more on this stunning, shocking, unbelievable, anyway you want to put it upset in virginia that nobody really saw coming. you're going to want to check out "inside politics" today as they take apart this big cantor defeat. that's a man interviewino.for a job. not that one. that one. the one who seems like he's already got the job 'cause he studied all the right courses from the get-go. and that's an accountant, a mom, a university of phoenix scholarship recipient, who used our unique --scratch that-- awesome career-planning tool. and that's a student, working late, with a day job, taking courses aligned with the industry he's aiming to be in. ready to build an education around the career that you want? let's get to work. help keep teeth clean and breath fresh. with beneful health