as bobby inman foresaw, which was an ability which would be exponential in acquiring data. the problem was addressed about massive files, what do you do with the discrimination of information on massive files? increasingly massive, totally -- the electronic world is accessible now. the answers that were given at that time by us, as well as by the technical people of the quality of dick garwin, was minimization. you have to work on the question of minimizing the files, what's kept, what's -- what's distributed. you have to be very specific about who has access and why. this is the essence of the warrant procedure. and in the world of mega information, the problem is still the same. >> right. >> and the answer is still the same. make rules and regulations about who has access and why. >> but could i add to -- >> and how long. >> when i went to see general hayden in july of 2002, he told me we are not in the business of minimization. >> that's a -- >> they have claimed since then that they are, but it is basically a joke. if they really wanted to minimize, they want encrypt th

do you remember in 1981 when barry goldwater insistered that bobby inman be the deputy dci? and when barry goldwater ensured directly with the white house that there would be full consultation on the revision of the executive order and intelligence with the bipartisan senate intelligence committee fully staffed to be able to review the white house draft of an executive order and if you recall those does that adjust your view of barry goldwater's role? >> these are not pure types, john. there's no such thing as someone being an unallied cheerleader. no, it doesn't change my mind. what changed my mind about him is when he finally got into a tousle with casey over nicaragua and then he became a true overseer, but i grant you your example. >> and diane, to complete the record of the story can you explain to people what we now know about the source of "the new york times" leak that was not you? >> well actually they -- russell tice had already admitted that he was one of the sources. as i understand from reading, i believe james risen has said once or twice that there were about