so -- and dailes was on bobby kennedy's top 40 hoodlums list. i mean, dailes hated kennedy. so i think that it -- i think it's true that wasserman didn't like the kennedys because -- in part, at least, because bobby kennedy was going after people like dailes, and also sidney korshak. c-span: there's a picture at the beginning of this chapter three, and at our back is lyndon johnson. it looks like the dining room on the first floor of the white house. you've got on the left there lew wasserman, arthur krim, bob benjamin, lots of other names, and at the very far end, tom johnson, who was the deputy press secretary at the time. why this picture? and why lyndon johnson? >> guest: oh, well, that picture -- i love that picture because wasserman was really crazy about lbj, and definitely was closer to him than to any other president. and wasserman is right there at his left. and wasserman always said that johnson had offered him the position of secretary of commerce. ultimately, i came to believe that that was not true that he had actually offered it to him. i think there was some