so i was at this conference and someone asked, i just read this book on bobby kennedy's campaign, in which it is pretty clear, according to him that mayor richard daley of chicago was prepared to endorse robert kennedy. he thought the war was a disaster. he was worried about the black vote in chicago. so i started being associate to this question and i thought if mayor daley back to robert kennedy, that whole demonstration in chicago radical change is. >> host: we need to backup a bit. with each of these instances, jeff, and remind people of what really happened. first of all, it's 1968. johnson has announced he's not going to run. the vietnam war is killing him, quite literally. and hubert humphrey is running, and eugene mccarthy runs. and mccarthy does better than anyone expected and then bobby announces. >> guest: causing a lot of ill will which it earned in one sense, and bobby has won all but the oregon primaries and then it's the california primary. but my point is in the reality where all he said then imagine if robert kennedy had lived and sotomayor daley who was the symbol of

having said that to get serious for a moment about bobby kennedy and with the kennedy presidency might have met with is a little bit surprising the next two of your scenarios together the last scenario not to give too much away, gary hart is become much more of a force. much more of a political force than he was coming and what strikes me about both gary hart and bobby kennedy in their campaigns is that you have them speaking back then as though they were teen party members today. >> guest: except i don't have them speaking, they are speaking and that is in fact my point. >> host: here are these two men who are icons of liberal history, and when they speak you could take some of those speeches, some of those lines and if you put down there today you would say rand paul. >> guest: this cannot during robert kennedy's life -- >> host: i was going to see -- >> guest: what attracted me before i ever met the man is the market liberalism when he first got to the senate he was challenging or the box liberalism saying the system was in fact the meeting. he had a great run under the speech these

so i was at this conference and somebody asked the question, i just read the book on bobby kennedy's mpaign and it's clear mayor richard daley of chicago was prepared to endorse robert kennedy. he thought the war was a disaster and was worried about the black vote in chicago so i started preassociating to this question, you know, if robert daley backed robert kennedy then the whole thing -- >> host: i think we need to back up a little bit. with each of these instances, jeff, remind people of what really happened. first of all, it's 1968. >> guest: '68. >> host: johnson has announced that he's not going to run. >> guest: right. >> host: the vietnam war is killing him, quite literally. and hubert humphrey is running and eugene mccarthy ones and mccarthy does better than expected and then bobby announces. >> guest: right causing a lot of ill-will that he had earned in once sense. and bobby has won all but the oregon primary and then it's the california primary. in the reality world, all i said imagine if robert kennedy had lived so mayor daley who was the symbol of the old guard, of the

having said that jeff, to get serious for a moment about bobby kennedy and what a kennedy presidency might have meant, what is a little bit surprising, and i'm afraid i'm going to mix two of your scenarios together here, in the last scenario got to not to give too much away, it gary hart becomes much more of a force. >> guest: and earlier. >> host: much more of a political force and than he was in reality. and what strikes me about both gary hart and bobby kennedy in their campaign is that you have them speaking back then as though they were tea party members today. >> guest: except i don't have them speaking. those were real words. >> host: precisely. that is in fact my point and that is, here are these two men who are icons of liberal histor, you could take some of those speeches, you could take some of those lines and if you put them out there today to would say well, that is rand paul. right? >> guest: this actually came up during robert kennedy's life, because -- what attracted me to him is before ever met the man, was that the high watermark of post-war liberalism when he first

you were 12 years old, and you were a volunteer with the bobby kennedy campaign. (bender) the presidential campaign in '68. (paulson) in california? mm-hmm. (paulson) and you were with rosemary clooney as well? well, she was-- i met her that night, and she was performing that night as artists-- she was one of those who had campaigned for robert kennedy. a lot of artists went out on the campaign trail for candidates, and i was with her that night. and actually, at the moment that senator kennedy was shot, i remember that it was the last time i've seen her, which was 32 years ago. she was supposed to sing at the overflow room downstairs, and the senator was supposed to exit one side of the stage where-- to see rosemary clooney, and at the last minute-- you can hear it on the tape. someone says, "this way, senator." and he goes the other way. what happened that night was obviously, for a kid-- i remember seeing people in shock, and i--you know, when you're 12, you've never seen that. i didn't understand why adults were crying, and people were doubled over and, you kn

he and his brother bobby kennedy in the justice department had fashioned a program to tried to assess the pour in the country and president johnson came in with his big texas approach and enlarged it and it became a war to eradicate poverty and if you define poverty as a certain percentage of our population and you try to eradicate it is not possible because there will always be a certain percentage that fits in that category. they eat immediately started a host of programs. there was the job corps, there was head stored, migrant programs additional drug programs, community action programs. they're must have been 12 or 15 different programs under the umbrella of the war on poverty. the design was it would bypass governor and mayors and elected officials and that had the effect of a chain republican and democrat mayors and public officials because the money would come straight from the federal government to organizations, community organizations that were described as having maximum feasible participation was the concept, bypassing the mayors. when they started to do was opposed local

office of economic opportunity, and it started under president kennedy, and he and his brother, bobby kennedy, and the justice department had fashioned a program to try to assist the poor in the country. and then president johnson came in with his big approach, and enlarged it and it became the war to eradicate poverty. and if you define poverty he has a certain percentage of our population, and then you try to eradicate it. it's not possible because there's always going to be a certain percentage that fits in that category. they been neatly started a host of programs. it was the job corps, headstart, migrant programs, health care programs, drug programs, community action program. there must've been 12 or 15 different pro-grants under this umbrella of the war on poverty. the design was that it would bypass governors and mayors, elected officials, and, of course, that had the effect of angering republican and democrats mayors and public officials. because the money would come straight from the federal government to organizations, community organizations that were described as having maximum --

and for 40 years, that's where the younger brother of jack and bobby kennedy carved out an extraordinaryday, his widow, victorivictorl break ground on the kennedy institute for the senate. and she spoke with claire shipman about how she is living with loss. >> reporter: they go everywhere with vicki kennedy, cappie and sonny. cappie, a new addition to the family. he is also first dog bo's littermate. providing some comfort to her in her new life. >> so much joy. he brings me a lot of joy. >> reporter: on the eve of the ground breaking of the edward m. kennedy institute in boston, she's looking forward to another measure of joy. >> working on this institute is fantastic because it is something that was so important to him. but it was also important to me. it's something he and i did together. >> reporter: the institute's mission? teaching the nuts and bolts of the u.s. senate. >> we're going to have desks. and at the touch of a finger, you'll know everything about the senator who sat at that desk. >> reporter: he was obviously so critical as a politician and a leader in our country. he wa

bobby kennedy was assassinated after he won the california primary. then came the democratic convention in chicago. nixon sent back to observe. i was i was called the co mrade hilton hotel when everything came apart. democratic party coming apart in the streets of chicago. we were leading humphrey 43-29, and george wallace was getting 23% of the the vote. that was how polarized the country was. hubert humphrey gave his famous speech in salt lake saying, "i haltcreate a bombigng if i'm elected," and the democratic party started to come together. humphrey game and gained in gay and right up until election day, where -- gained and gained and gained right up until election day, where nixon won narrowly. the town he came to was utterly hostile to the nixon. in love to john f. kennedy. richard nixon was loathed by a significant part of the press. it was predominantly democratic. for the first time since zachary taylor, both houses of congress were against the president of the united states. and as i said, the media loathed richard nixon, a lot of them did,

he and his brother bobby kennedy and the justice department had fashioned a program to try to assist the poor in the country and then president johnson came in with his big texas approach and enlarged it and it became the war to eradicate poverty. if you define poverty as a certain percentage of our population, and then you try to eradicate if it is not possible because there is always going to be a certain percentage that fits in that category. and they immediately started a host of programs. there was the job corps. there was headstart. there were migrant programs, health care programs, drug programs, community action programs. there must have been 12 or 15 different programs under this umbrella of the war on poverty. .. the local state governments were constantly being harassed by the program as well as we have the federal government supplying money to the office of economic opportunity that filed lawsuits against mayors and governors and councils all of the people regardless of political party it had nothing to do with politics. he was against the structure so it was widely disli

he and his brother bobby kennedy and the justice department had fashioned a program to try to assist the poor in the country and then president johnson came in with his big texas approach and enlarged it and it became the war to eradicate poverty. if you define poverty as a certain percentage of our population, and then you try to eradicate if it is not possible because there is always going to be a certain percentage that fits in that category. and they immediately started a host of programs. there was the job corps. there was headstart. there were migrant programs, health care programs, drug programs, community action programs. there must have been 12 or 15 different programs under this umbrella of the war on poverty. .. the local state governments were constantly being harassed by the program as well as we have the federal government supplying money to the office of economic opportunity that filed lawsuits against mayors and governors and councils all of the people regardless of political party it had nothing to do with politics. he was against the structure so it was widely disli

kennedy? the thoughts on bobby's pockets were so worn and large from thousands of games that little pieces almost fell into the slot and aesthetically it is well banal of the images were worn off. then he went on the discussed braunstein style. at one point he said, did you read reinstein spoke? i said no, it isn't in russian? hewitt annoyed and amazed that i didn't know the language. it's a fantastic book. you play for a win against me and i'm sure in a plane for a draw. resetting pieces in seconds, again i must without looking he said, he tarcher prepare for if he can play any kind of game, positional or type the code. he then began to show me from memory game after game, dozens focusing on opening for bronstein had played against bobby's favorite variations. multiple outcomes leaked from his mind but he didn't confine himself to bronstein sufferer. he also took me a mature games that louis paulsen had played the 1800s and i ask. men with in the 1920s as well as others just weeks before in games that he had claimed from a russian newspaper. all the time, bobby wade possibilities and suggested a

from when her own husband died, and bobby who had become a surrogate father to caroline and john was himself struck down by an assassin in june 1968. and mrs. kennedy supposedly commented, our country is just going crazy. and if they're killing kennedys, my children might be next. so she was obviously looking for safety and security, which aristotle onassis represented by having his own island off the coast of greece which he could take her and the children, not to mention his own yacht, and not mention millions and millions of dollars. because even though we think of the kennedys as being wealthy and mrs. kennedy had been left fairly well off by her husband will, it was not necessarily enough to support her in the way she had grown accustomed. so she was obviously looking for some financial security also. i think what you are probably driving at is what she did take a hit. her image took a hit, for two reasons. one is that aristotle onassis was used as a rather unscrupulous businessman. and number two, he didn't look like president kennedy. so if you put yourself out as the queen of camelot and then generate a troll, i'm just saying, people take t

kennedy? the thoughts on bobby's pockets were so worn and large from thousands of games that little pieces almost fell into the slot and aesthetically it is well banal of the images were worn off. then he went on the discussed braunstein style. at one point he said, did you read reinstein spoke? i said no, it isn't in russian? hewitt annoyed and amazed that i didn't know the language. it's a fantastic book. you play for a win against me and i'm sure in a plane for a draw. resetting pieces in seconds, again i must without looking he said, he tarcher prepare for if he can play any kind of game, positional or type the code. he then began to show me from memory game after game, dozens focusing on opening for bronstein had played against bobby's favorite variations. multiple outcomes leaked from his mind but he didn't confine himself to bronstein sufferer. he also took me a mature games that louis paulsen had played the 1800s and i ask. men with in the 1920s as well as others just weeks before in games that he had claimed from a russian newspaper. all the time, bobby wade possibilities and suggested a

bobby kennedyesque candidate. >> i felt the political system was producing candidates that were more by cosmetic rather than substance. >> change ties. >> why? >> afterwards, ellele kennedywidow, told you she didn't like it. >> keep your fingers interlaced. you got that? >> when i ran into ethel kennedy, she said, well, i was not a fan of your film. i said that's okay. she said, you know, because you seem to have a dim view of politics. i said, well, it's not bright, let's put it that way and she said, well, it is the highest calling. >> do you still have a dim view of politics? >> it's so dim, it's almost black. it's pretty grim right now. i mean i'm so depressed to think that this country with all of its potential could reduce itself to games being played with what feels like the dialogue is being done with stone-age tools. it's really depressing to think that instead of an exchange of ideas between two different ways of thinking, you've just got a war zone. i just find it depressing. >> and you can see more of my interview with robert redford at abcnews.com this week where he reveals the big lie that affected his entire filmmaking career. now, here's another look ahea

kennedys and all those kinds of things. >> yes. well, it's an eight-hour miniseries. it really covered the white house years and a little bit, you know up until bobby'sit's told kind of -- it's like a greek tragedy, the way that it's set up and the structure of it. and but really we wanted to show the human side of this very famous family and, you know it was kind of very daunting about taking on this project was, you know, so many people looked up to them have a certain relationship, you know, with them in their own way, so we kind of all had to say, well we've done all of our research and now we just have to make these characters our own and do our best with it. >> jimmy: yeah because people idealize them and they forget that they're human beings. and you forget -- like all these horrible things that they went through in their lives. >> there was a lot of pain. but there was pain during the cuban missile crisis. there was personal pain. so they just lived such a big life, at such a high level, that you can't believe everything they were dealing with. >> jimmy: we have a clip here from the miniseries. do you need to set that up? >> this is when jack