i think bobby kennedy deserves a lot of credit for pushing his brother in that direction, but you're lutely correct. i do not think that kennedy would have been as stalwart behind the full bill the way that johnson was. i think kennedy may have accepted some compromises. i do not want to speculate, but i think it is, again, a contingency. tavis: so put the cover of the book back up, because i love this photo. it is an iconic photo. lbj turning around and handing a 10 to dr. king, a pen that he has used seconds earlier to sign the civil rights act of 1964, and i want this up because even though they put this picture on the cover, as they should have, but inside the text, you make the argument that in some case, johnson and king get more credit than they deserve, and maybe i am not phrasing that the way you would, but the point is they were not the only ones that had a major effort in making this pass, but in major history, it is lbj and mlk do almost single-handedly made this happen. >> absolutely. i do not want to diminish what they achieved with this bill. i think that is very import

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. >>> in 1961, the attorney general of the united states of course was bobby kennedy.an october 1961, attorney general bobby kennedy gave a speech in chicago, illinois, where he told the remarkable but tragic tale of a parrot smuggler. and it was not the lead-up to a joke that involved a rabbi in a bar, it was actually a parrot smuggler. he told the crowd about the case of an american man who had been convicted of planning to smuggle parrots into the united states from mexico. the attorney general said the parrot-smuggling man was a lawyer. he was a combat-wounded veteran of world war ii and he had never been in trouble before. the attorney general said he had a quote, loyal and honest family but for whatever reason the judge in the case really had it in for the parrot smuggler. attorney general robert kennedy said in that speech that the judge in the case thought that the parrot-smuggling lawyer was rude, rude and arrogant. he didn't like his attitude. and so the judge sentenced him to 11 years. 11 years in federal prison for the crime of conspireing to smuggle parrot

4th, 1968, i was working for the kennedy campaign, trying to help organize a rally in support of bobby kennedy. and we heard earlier during the evening that dr. king had been shot. but we didn't know his condition. we continued to organize and there was some debate whether robert kennedy should come in and speak. and some of us said he got to come and speak to the crowd. robert kennedy came in and he spoke. spoke from his heart, his guts, made this unbelievable statement. and announced that martin luther king jr. had been assassinated. it was a sad and dark hour for me and for us, for america. i just cried and cried. >> you can see more of my interview with john lewis next week as part of our special coverage of the 50th anniversary of the civil rights act. achieve it. ♪ driving rock/metal music stops ♪music resumes music stops ♪music resumes [announcer] purina pro plan's bioavailable formulas deliver optimal nutrient absorption. [whistle] purina pro plan. nutrition that performs. if you've had a coke in the last 25 years, you've had a hand in giving college scholarships and support to thousan

bobby kennedy against ben franklin.e been one to tune into. >> oh, yes, it would have. fair enough. >> check, thanks so much. that was a lot of fun. time now for another number in today's data bank. 1,200. that's the number of followers secretary of state john kerry's dog, ben, aka@diplomut had this morning, named after ben franklin. he stole the show at the state department yesterday. he brought him to work for take your daughters and sons to work day. >> an historic vote happening now at northern western university. will they vote to form the first ever union for college athletes? what does it mean for the college sports money machine? that's just ahead. but first our tdr soup of the day. they're serving tomato gorgonzola at the cellar in idaho falls. we'll be right back. an diesel gets up to 795 highway miles per tank. salesperson #2: actually, we're throwing in a $1,000 fuel reward card. we've never done that. that's why there's never been a better time to buy a passat tdi clean diesel. husband: so it's like two dea

bobby kennedy out of the mid sort of mid to late 20th century bracket and ben franklin, the man on the0 bill. what a great final. presidential near miss. you can't believe they never were president, ben franklin. perhaps he had an age issues obviously. bobby kennedy has been a favorite, a number one seed the whole time who gets to the final but franklin a 6 seed. how about that, it should be fun. get out there and vote. what's not fair to the poor ben franklin supporters, i know a lot of the bobby kennedy family has been very active on twitter on behalf of r.f.k. i expect to see that same activity there. but you hundred dollar bill fans ought to get involved, too. >> hundred dollar bill fans, i'm a philly girl, chuck. you know where my heart lies in this race. >> go for it. there it is. all right. >> what a matchup that will be. that's pretty cool. thank you so much for all of that and congratulations on a great interview. we will see you tomorrow from seoul, south korea. don't forget to go to rundown to vote for your bracket challenge. >> and 23 is the number of terms congressman char

the other thing that is fascinating is the idea of bobby kennedy. re is a guy with all that he president ande diminished. >> lyndon johnson hated being vice president. it was compared to the senate majority leader. why did he take it? he got trounced by kennedy in the primary and he saw the handwriting on the wall. he thought, my opportunity to get into become president is limited by age. this, you know, king arthur just came in. oh, my god. he is going to be president. he is going to be president for eight years. whoever his vice president is will have the inside track to be the next president for eight years. so up i am going to get in, i am looking 16 years down the road and i missed my window of opportunity. i think it was a catalytic move on his part. i have to bite the bullet, except as vice presidency, bring the south with me, and bide my time. hopefully, in eight years, get the nod. >> that is why i want you to be the floor manager of this bill. >> i assume the senate majority leader -- >> i need someone more personable. people like you, hube

people tell me i ought to pick bobby kennedy but i'm not sure of his loyalty.re was a time not so long ago when him and the rest of his harvard blue bloods would look down his nose at me like i was a country bump kin. >> charlie: what's your ambition after this? what is it that bryan cranston needs to do? >> rest. i do. i need to rest. i go pretty hard at it, and it's so much fun. i'm having a great time, but i think, when this is over, when i finally leave the stage for the last time all the way, i'm going to collapse (laughter) you know, your body has a tendency to hold on, hold on, hold on! it's a very physically and emotionally demanding thing, i love putting it all out there, but i think i just want to relax for a while and let it rest and see what happens next. >> charlie: thank you for doing this. >> i so appreciate it. >> charlie: great to see you, thank you. >> they show up for school every day, dirty, ragged, hungry because most of them haven't had any breakfast! but they were so on fire to learn! it just -- ahhh! just made you feel good! but there wo

. >> that's a bobby kennedy phrase. i love that one. a lantern on your problem is bobby's phrase. here's the question. if you look at all social advances it this country, i argue liberalism wins eventually. whether women's rights, abolition, gay rights, equal marriage equality. it always ends up winning eventually. that's just the way the country rolls. my question is, will the country roll in that direction on health care? will it eventually say, it was a pain in the butt, but, you know, we're better with it. >> well, if we learned anything from history, chris, we know people do tend to adjust and adapt to new government programs. as you well know, medicare was not terribly popular when it was first enacted. >> my dad ended up loving it. >> you go and ask a senior, they say, keep your hands off of my medicare. >> keep the government out of it. >> absolutely. absolutely. so we've seen that many times over and i don't think it should surprise us if a few years from now, it's simply a part of the fabric. >> let's talk women, for example.

then there's bobby kennedy.er one seed to make it to our final four goes up against a two seed in hillary clinton. go to our web site to see if you are going to vote for an all-kennedy final or whether you want to have some multi-century matchups between ben franklin and hillary clinton. back with georgia gubernatorial hopeful and presidential grandson. (mom) when our little girl was born, we got a subaru. it's where she said her first word. (little girl) no! saw her first day of school. (little girl) bye bye! made a best friend forever. the back seat of my subaru is where she grew up. what? (announcer) the 2015 subaru forester (girl) what? (announcer) built to be there for your family. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. >>> democrats in georgia are banking on two famous names in 2014. jason carter is running for governor. it's an office his grandfather, jimmy, used as a spring board to the presidency back in 1976. jason was not even 2 years old at the time when jimmy carter was sworn in as the 39th presi

and we had a bet that we would find a candidate that would do what bobby kennedy did to pull together whites and blacks in the democratic nomination and win it. so just as roosevelt was the eating thing that bill clinton was the individual, i was sitting there on the determined not to say a word about what was going to happen two days later because i was not going to be responsible for that story getting into the mainstream press. along the way we had a few little bumps. clinton was elected and i think he served two terms, winding up with a 66% approval rating. the 6% job approval rating because of the good things that he did for this country. and i still believe that the philosophy of the new democrat movement, an opportunity with the mutual responsibility. the emphasis on empowering government that equips people to solve their own problems, the embodiment of values like family and faith in individual liberty and inclusion are as viable for many challenges today as they were then. and i think there are lessons for both parties and what we did and i write about that in my book. that s

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it was the same with bobby kennedy as well.s and youbig put that money towards what needs -- from we have this tweet a viewer who says, "food and health care are basic needs. programs must be efficient. they are not even close." how would you respond to that? guest: that's a very typical sentiment. you have a lot of people on both sides of the aisle who say something like food stamps is needed and helps, but how you administer it is more of the question. sayll have folks who you need these complicated formulas so they reflect the cost of families and the other side says you can't keep throwing money at this thing. you have to have people work for it. with cash welfare. there is a lot of debate about how to change and improve it. we have seen various proposals from members of congress related to that as well. host: rick, did you want to weigh in on that? after 9/11, i figured clinton had our deficit down. every time there is a crisis, they shoot the deficit back up. host: thanks for the call. "mostlyon or comment -- women and ch

>> guest: i think on the positive side when johnson started the programs and bobby kennedy walked through appalachia and we had the children dying of starvation and if yo you have people dying wito food in the stomach the government intervened the child nutrition programs. we don't have those kind of horrid conditions anymore and that's good. the sad part about it is that we have created an industry out of serving poor people and we took money that was intended for the poor and converted it into services from the poor. and then they are driven by people that have no vested interest in solving the problem. it isn't that people working inside of the poverty industry are bad people. but they work and bureaucratic structure that causes good people to do bad things. so we are injuring people with a helping hand in the name of rescuing them. >> host: oxford pennsylvania calling on the independent line. sauron with robert woodson. >> caller: good morning. i was going to say the problem with poverty money isn't always the answer but goodness, look how the politicians send jobs overseas. i was in

obviously, the same as well with bobby kennedy as well. so you stopped funding these wars and you put that money towards where it needs to go really. >> host: hey, rick, stay on the line because as you were making your comment, we got this tweet from a viewer who said food and health care are basic with needs, but programs must be efficient. they are not even close. why spend more on waste? some how would you respond to that sentiment? >> guest: that's a very typical sentiment. so that you have, again, a lot of people on both sides to have aisle who say something like food stamps is needed and helps, but how you administer it is more of the question. and so on one side you'll have folks that say we have to redo these really complicated formulas so that they reflect more of the costs for families, and on the other side you have folks that say you can't just keep throwing money at this thing, you have to have people work for it, for example, or be on it for a certain period of time. like they did, like was done with the cash welfare. so it r

--st: on the positive side when johnson started those programs and bobby kennedy walked through appalachiawe had children dying of starvation. you had elderly people in miami dying with no food. the government rightly intervened when a child nutrition programs and support for the elderly. we do not have those horrid conditions anymore. that is good. the sad part about it is that we have created an industry out of serving poor people. we took money that was intended for the poor and converted it into services to the poor. and then these services are chosen by people that have no vested interest in solving the problem. it is not that people working inside the poverty industry are bad people. but they weren't in bureaucratic structures that cause good people to do bad things. so we are injuring people with a helping hand in the name of rescuing them. on ourob, pennsylvania independent line. you are on with robert woodson. caller: good morning. i just want to say -- the poverty problem. people have got to start caring. look how our politicians just sent our jobs overseas. i was in a shop the o

it was the same with bobby kennedy as well.ars and youbig put that money towards what needs -- from we have this tweet a viewer who says, "food and health care are basic needs. programs must be efficient. they are not even close." how would you respond to that? guest: that's a very typical sentiment. you have a lot of people on both sides of the aisle who say something like food stamps is needed and helps, but how you administer it is more of the question. sayll have folks who you need these complicated formulas so they reflect the cost of families and the other side says you can't keep throwing money at this thing. you have to have people work for it. with cash welfare. there is a lot of debate about how to change and improve it. we have seen various proposals from members of congress related to that as well. host: rick, did you want to weigh in on that? after 9/11, i figured clinton had our deficit down. every time there is a crisis, they shoot the deficit back up. host: thanks for the call. "mostlyon or comment -- women and