two years later, bobby kennedy was slain, and he brought in those to lament the death of bobby kennedy that would have been honored if he had not been murdered. the '60s were not raising consciousness, far from it. one of the highest rated show of the '60s for carson was actually the wedding of an iconic figure of the 1960s known as tiny tim. tiny tim was famous for his falsetto rendition of "tiptoe through the tulips." when he tied the knot, 58 million people tuned in to the special wedding show of "the tonight show." now, johnny carson loved his work. he was really not all that happy when he wasn't working. he was a perfectionist and invested huge amounts of planning and energy into making the show look as spontaneous and as effortless as it seemed through the television. he was not comfortable away from a camera, even with family. as johnny carson said after the failure of his third marriage, if i had put the work into my marriage that i put into my show, they might have been successful. carson was friendly with his guests, but it was more than that. he was a fundamentally curious p

two months later, bobby kennedy was killed.d carson again offered another tribute to a slain activist. he brought in journalists, artists and friends of bobby kennedy to reminisce and to mourn the death of robert kennedy, who might very well have been elected president in 1968, if he had not been murdered. now, the sixties for carson wasn't all a matter of serious consciousness, raising far from it. one of his highest rated shows, in fact the highest rated show of the sixties for carson was actually in the wedding of an iconic figure of the 1960s, known as tiny tim. tiny tim was famous for his falsetto rendition of tiptoe through the tulips, and his unusual clothing style, unusual even by the standards of the 1960s. when he tied the knot, 58 million people tuned in to have the special wedding show of the tonight show. now, johnny carson loved his work, he was really not hole that happy when he wasn't working. roads were perfectionist and invested a huge account of energy intro to making the show look at spontaneous and effort l

bobby. kennedy was killed. and carson again offered another tribute to a slain activist. he brought a journalists artists and friends of bobby kennedy to reminisce and to remember to mourn the death of robert kennedy who might very well have been elected president in 1968 if he had not been murdered. now the 60s. for carson wasn't all a matter of serious consciousness raising. far from it one of his highest rated shows. in fact, the highest rated show of the 60s for carson was actually the wedding of an iconic figure of the 1960s known as tiny tim tiny tim was famous for his falsetto rendition of tiptoe through the tulips and is unusual clothing style unusual even by the standards of the 1960s when he tied the knot. 58 million people tuned in to the special wedding show of the tonight show now johnny carson loved his work. he was really not all that happy when he wasn't working. he was a perfectionist and invested huge amounts of planning and energy into making the show look as spontaneous and his effortless as it seemed through the television. he was not comfortable away

king and bobby kennedy? where is that messaging?> the reality we're in a broken place in america right now. something has truly broken in the spirit of this nation. i think you can talk about what is happening with covid. people are having such deep isolation. no one has that connectivity to their neighbor. we feel somehow people are left alone. i think again, i would implore our brothers and sisters on the left to recognize if they want to say the words of donald j. trump have an impact, that they influence people, their words also influence people. we have to recognize that influence, to find ways to bring people together, to say if we will build a more perfect union, it starts with each and every single one of us. elizabeth: joseph, you're terrific. come back soon. >> thank you very much. elizabeth: house ranking republican, good to see you, jason smith will joins us. looks like biden's 2.25 infrastructure bill might fail in the house. the democrat margin is shrinking. could hit a wall in the senate. the gop demanding it be cut b

liz: where are the leaders saying exactly what you're saying about martin luther king and bobby kennedyhow come that message has been lost today, we know the biden nominee to run the d.o.j. civil rights division is don't defund the police, m where is the powerful messaging that you just said that mo mlk martin luther king and bobby kennedy. >> the reality were in a broken place in the america something is really broken and the speed of this nation, talking about what's happening in collating deep isolation, nobody has that connectivity to their neighbor we feel it as a people have been left alone, i would import our brothers and sisters on i the lt to recognize if they want to say the words of donald j trump have an impact that they influence people, their words alsols influence people, we have to recognize that influence and bring people together to say if were going to build a more perfect union and starts with each and every single one of us. liz: joseph pinion come back soon. house budget ranking republican jason smith will join us. it looks like biden two and a quarter billion infr

the assumption was that it was vietnam and bobby kennedy and mccarthy and the embedded nature of hisresidency as a whole that compelled him to walk away from power, but in fact it had been a part of a strategy that they had been executing for the previous four years. host: earlier we mentioned the name liz carpenter. as lady bird begins to establish herself as the role of first lady and tackle the big issues that were important to her liz carpenter was an important part of that strategy. we have video of liz carpenter talking about her work and that we will come back. [video clip] >> i work for president johnson. i was in dallas that dreadful day and the moment that changed everyone's life and ended up back in washington on air force one. i wrote those 58 words that the president delivered when he stepped off the plane at andrews air force base. this is a sad time for all people. then for five years, i worked at the white house as press secretary and staff director for lady bird johnson, and sometimes funny speechwriter for lbj when he was willing to use my gags. we worked very hard

bobby kennedy. i went in not totally convinced this is where i wanted to be but this was what i would do. i was more mature than most because i had been in graduate school, been with the best and brightest. i had decided that although i did not believe in the war, i would not slack. i would do what i needed to do as long as people gave me space to do it. i was better educated than most of the recruits that were brought in so i did not need to be told twice. i totally understood what i needed to do. the first observation i had when i went to basic training was oh my goodness. is this the cross-section of america because i was meeting people from walls of light -- walks of life and i was convinced that if if we lost education the country was going to sink into some kind of darkness. i was not use to people who were not educated. i was undereducated and most of the officers and i think most -- i did not want to go into officers training. i wanted to see what the cross-section was like if i had to go in

there might be times where it only gets to bobby kennedy, the attorney general, but there is no evidence anywhere that they didn't talk about everything. so i would say are almost guaranteed there's implicit blessing. and i would think it's even more explicit. kennedy may have not said let's put a bullet in his head, but if you listen to a lot of the communications from the cuban missile crisis where they talk about stuff like we tried to get rid of that, i would try to get rid of that guy and they're not saying what caliber rifle to use, but they're saying kill the dude. and that's pretty explicit in my book. apologies, their revisionist historians and i get that. i do not think it makes kennedy worse, i think people are trying to rehabilitate some kind of kamala out of this. you know or take it down a notch or two. but i think that you don't you know what we did. if it wasn't kennedy it would've been nixon. if it wasn't it was eisenhower before that, and johnson after that. this was the american way of doing war without actually doing more. and until as -- made that explicitly illegal,

. >> katie benner, bobby kennedy taught a whole new american generation from his office, now occupied by merrick garland the doj that the feds can have a role in enforcement around the country. what do you think the doj role will end up being on this overarching subject of police reform? >> so, far it looks like we are seeing him keep a promise he made during his confirmation. he was very strong on civil rights enforcement. major the justice department is part of a national conversation that began last year after the killing of george floyd, and it will be part of changing police. we've seen that happen. we've seen the justice department now two times say it is going to investigate police departments or the heart of these controversy last year including minneapolis, where officer chauvin worked and illegal kentucky federal police department which was involved in the killing of breonna taylor. we've seen those actions happen. on the heels of those two investigations, merrick garland his justice department decided to bring charges against the man involved in the killing of ahmaud arbery

but what you how long do you work for bobby kennedy two years? but this this whole i mean reading back in those days and just thinking about today the number of people that have been in politics and now are in the media. is there any real change after all these years? yeah. what's the change? i mean that that ability the party to control the news media media simply doesn't exist and and i you know, i think that there are some people watch television today and and see echoes of one party or another and and some of the formats and and there is some niche marketing and television news. i think particularly in the cable area. i think most people identify fox. in that in that way a southern echo of the presidency. but but i look at it and and the independence is there in the independence and i mean the idea that the administration could control fox or cnbc or are cnn i think is out of the question you you've got your own television star in your family. i do have what's your relationship to john seigenthaler of nbc? i am the father of john of the john

. >> katie benner, bobby kennedy taught a whole new american generation from his office, now occupied by merrick garland at doj, that is feds can have a role in enforcement around the country. what do you think the doj role will end up being on this overarching subject of police roomer? >> so far garland is keeping another promise that he would be strong on civil rights enforcement and make sure the justice department was part of the national conversation that began last year after the killing of george floyd and that it would be part of a conversation about change, changing police. we've seen it happen. we've seen the justice department now two times say it was going to investigate police departments that were at the heart of this controversies last summer, including the minneapolis police department and the louisville, kentucky, police department involved in the killing of breonna taylor. and so we've seen those actions happen. and then on the heels of those two investigations, merrick garland, his justice department decided to bring hate crimes charges against the men involved in k

there might be times when it only gets to bobby kennedy, his attorney general, but there's no evidence anywhere that they didn't talk about everything together. so, i would say we're almost guaranteed there's implicit blessing. i would think it's even more explicit. kennedy may have -- may have not said, let's put a bullet in his head but we can listen to a lot of the excom communications from the cuban missile crisis where they say, we needed to get rid of that guy. yes, they're not saying what caliber rifle to use, but they're basically saying, we need to kill the dude. i think that's pretty explicit in my book. apologists, revisionist historians, i get that. i don't think it makes kennedy any worse. i think people are trying to rehabilitate some kind of camelot out of this. seymour hirsch took that down a notch or two if you read "the dark side of camelot." this is what we did. if it wasn't kennedy, it would have been nixon. it was eisenhower before that, johnson after that. this was the american way of doing war without actually doing war. and, you know, until church and pike made

and from, as bobby kennedy would say, those ripples on a lake from a million different points created an energy that came together and really did create a change, bent history, willie. and john lewis would recognize that history that was made. know john, knew john pretty well, serving with him and traveling with him a lot. he would be very positive about what happened. he would demand that protests moved forward and that they be peaceful protests. and at the same time, as he had said before and as he said always, this is not the fight of a day. this is not the fight of a month or a year. this is a fight that must continue throughout our lifetimes. peacefully, but in an unrelenting loving way. >> absolutely. and what an opportunity to show young people in this country as john lewis did for so many years and did himself, he was a very young man as john knows at selma. what an opportunity to show if you see in justice in the world, you can change it. you can push and you can push peacefully and you can change it. it was an opportunity to say to my own kids as we watched this last night,

it was kind of a interesting time in the country's history, you know with the assassination, bobby kennedy, distance building around the war effort, what have you. i went and not totally convinced that this is where i wanted to be, but this is what i would do. was more mature than most because i had been in graduate school, with the best and the brightest. i had decided that although i did not believe in the war effort i wouldn't slack. i would do what i needed to do as long as people give me space to do it. and i was better educated than most of the recruits that were brought and. so i didn't need to be told twice. i understood what i needed to do. the first observation i had when i went into the military and basic training was oh my goodness, is this the cross section of america? i was meeting people from walks of life that i would have never rubbed shoulders with before. and i had been convinced that if we had lost the battle with education, our country was going to sink into some kind of darkness. i was not used to people who were not educated. okay. secondly, i was better educated tha