it's the day after bobby kennedy's assassination.s assassinated on the fifth and died on the sixth. the seventh is the one day that they have before the eighth when they are going to go up to new york for the funeral at st. patrick's cathedral. sitting on my left, on everybody's left is madame shumatav, who is there with lbj to paint his portrait. this is astonishing to me that they kept this appointment. if you can just imagine the tension and the anxiety and the fear and the exhaustion around this tragedy in the white house on that day but it's 1968 and they still don't have a presidential portrait of lbj, the first one that was done by peter ward they don't like in 1965 and for the johnsons the specter of becoming incapacitated in office hangs over their head. woodrow wilson's experience especially. they wind upkeeping this appointment. so two more details about it, though. when i see this, i see lady bird sitting in the corner as the executive producer of the lbj presidency orchestrating this moment animating l bj and has a smile

the next morning, they lead for new york for bobby kennedy's funeral. that is a whole other story in the book, there is a moment in there where lady bird describes her counter with jackie kennedy, that is most explicit. and very poignant about the distance that they all traveled, and the distance now emotionally and otherwise between jackie kennedy and the johnson's. >> can you give me a sense of how much more time i have? i can't tell from the chat. over, is that what you said? dan. i'm overtime. anyway, i'm very pleased to be participating with you. i am here to fill in any gaps with a q and a. >> thank you so much, julia. there will be a question for you that has come in. i want to thank you for your very emotional description of ladybirds influence. not only the influence that you had on the president -- present, how she had civil rights to environmental policy, and then also the difficulty, the pressure of being a wartime first lady. you really had a lot of material to cover. even though we thought we knew so much about her, you are teaching us so

for the aesthetic, so if you can imagine bobby kennedy is assassinated on june 4th. it takes him more than 24 hours to die on june 8th. they have they're going to be leaving to go to the funeral at saint patrick's cathedral. the white house is a incredibly difficulty difficult place to be during these three day interim period but the johnsons leave the schumachov sitting on lbj's schedule and this i really love because it shows lady bird as the orchestrate orchestrator of the image making and also as the animator of her subject her subject and schumachov subject lbj comes and he's tired and he's exhausted and one of the things that you can't see, but that he's holding in his hand is the letter that chuck rob his son in law has written to him from vietnam. so he's sitting there reading the letters out loud lady bird in the corner and they're about to get ready the next and sitting for what becomes his official presidential portrait and the next morning they leave for new york for bobby kennedy kennedy's funeral, which is a whole other story about the book and it in th

bobby kennedy is assassinated on june 4. it takes him more than 24 hours to die. on june 8, they will be leaving to go to the funeral at st. patrick's cathedral. the white house is an incredibly different -- difficult place to be during these three days. the johnsons leave the sitting on lbj's schedule. this i really love. it shows lady bird as the orchestrator of the image making and also as the animator of her subject. her suspect. lbj comes and he's tired and exhausted. one of the things you can't see, he's holding in his hand a letter that chuck rob, his son-in-law, has written to him from vietnam. he is reading the letters out loud. lady bird in the corner. they are about to get ready and sitting for what becomes his official presidential portrait. the next morning, they leave for new york for bobby kennedy's funeral. >> learn more about sarah polk, mary lincoln, and lady bird johnson sunday on the presidency at 8:00 eastern and 5:00 pacific here on american history tv. ♪ >> sunday on american artifacts, we tour behind the scenes at the smithsonian castle in

it would have been better for the country to help bobby kennedy walk into that tall and red ligh-- rally the antiwar forces. it would have been great to have a real battle in the convention instead of on the streets of chicago. i am thrilled at the prospect that he would have lived and there would have been a debate over the war. it might have gone the right direction. it would have been a battle which we needed in the party and country. i hoped he would win. i can only predict -- i am pretty good at predicting elections thursday following tuesday. 2022 is going to be a cliffhanger. 2024 is going to be a cliffhanger. in our current situation, the 50-50 elections, we have to get voting rights straight. i believe, this is not the democratic field, i want the result election night. maybe for people serving armed dutch in the armed, overseas maybe have deadlines. allow pallets to be in the hands of the countries that day, evening so people can go to bed and know who the president is. if we do not do that we will have questions of skepticism. why does it take a week? the magnum people know th

service is realizing that the world there are a lot of political assassinations, you know, we lost bobby kennedy in 68 martin luther king kennedy and 63 not a lot changed in their training culture and the 70s a bunch of agents out in la started training better like how to react when they're shot. you know, how to how to react in a split second and they adopt this kind of training to improve how quickly they react so the secret service agents like jerry part tim mccarthy react almost instantaneously the gunfire, but if you look at what happened to kennedy and george wallace in 72, they were debacles. i mean, you know ray kennedy shot in the neck and the driver just keeps driving straight no invasive maneuvers at all because they weren't trained. they weren't trained to react without thinking all right, that's interesting, right? they're prepared. but yet they let him walk out like this inside. meanwhile, they checked everybody who went in they don't they bomb had bomb sniffing dogs checked the speech before he went in they check the names of everyone who in contact with the president and yet they

and then bobby, and then bobby kennedy, the attorney general was investigating organizationed crime andl, i'm investigating organized crime, and sinatra is friends with some of these guys that i'm investigating like sam giancana, maybe my brother shouldn't stay out. there that is a real story, in the book attorney general kennedy kind of black mailed charlie and mark receipt, my heros to go out and investigate to see if sin app-- sinatra really is mobbed up. >> stephen: what did you learn in writing this book that you did not know before about those years. >> i don't think i realized before, and i did a lot of reading. i don't think i realized how much i think john f. kennedy broke frank sinatra's heart. by like sinatra we all know, he had his heartbroken by eva gardner, one of his several wives but that was the one that really hurt him. and i think he really loved plutonically, he really loved john f. kennedy and this confrontation that i am telling you about that really happened, i think it really destroyed him. >> stephen: jake, lovely to see you. the book is "the devil may dance." h

it's where eunice patricia and bobby kennedy were all born and you can see that it's a much bigger house. they were becoming wealthier. they also had an expanding family. so that's one of the reasons why they bought this house. well three days after president's president kennedy's assassination on what was known as the national day of mourning people all over the country found places to mourn and to express their grief and for people in this region of the united states 83 beale street became that place and you can see here in this picture that thousands of people gathered to pay their respects to president kennedy. and so how did people really know that this was the birthplace home? well in the early 1960s the house was privately owned by a woman named martha pollock, and when kennedy became president the town of brookline asked if they could put a stone monument in plaque on the front yard. she said yeah sure. why not well as soon as that happened people started visiting the house they wanted to see what was inside. sometimes they were knocking on her door. and after the assassination y

. >> well, i think for bobby kennedy it became real and he was one of the guys who converted into a civilzed how violent the opposition was to what the people have equal rights on interstate busses. a simple right, you get on a greyhound bus and travel to a bus station to be treated equally. the federal law said you were supposed to be at the time and so the freedom riders went out there to test it to find out if it was equal and they were violently opposed. >> it's amazing that we thought that the civil rights era was history and now we're still seeing the voting rights being rolled back state after state and also, police protection. you were formerly a capitol police officer before you worked for tip o'neal on the hill. the justice department released new video in the case against the man leading the proud boys on january 6th. what was your reaction on the attack of the capitol? >> you worked out there, and i worked out there. i worked on both sides, the political side and the journalist side. i felt violated. it was a cathedral of democracy and that's where lincoln gave his second inau

>> i think those are the candidates i mean, bobby kennedy was a senator from new york, and he would haveected a peanut farmer from plains, georgia you know, we elected a governor who was an actor so it's the person i don't think new york has a stigma we can't elect a new yorker it's just, you name those critters and i think that was the answer right there [ laughter ] >> seth: hey, i want to ask about, you know, this last year. and i think it's probably a trend over longer than just a year, don't get me wrong but we have seen a lot of brands get behind social issues now, i think one good question, if it's anything more than just surface presentation of "we support these causes" and maybe sort of empty tweets and instagram posts as opposed to, you know, actual initiatives but is this -- are you surprised that advertising has become so tied to the social issues of the day? >> no, and they're not -- look, i think most ceos are decent people, but they're not necessarily doing it from the heart. they're doing it from the bottom line in that, as you know, every advertiser wants 18 to 34, 18 to

if the attorney general were to say, you know, john mitchell or a bobby kennedy were to say at the microphone i'm here to make sure is that this president is re-elected to a second term by doing everything possible, right, to -- to satisfy the constituencies that put him here in the first place, that would be wholly inappropriate and put the white house and the president in a very difficult position. >> i think there's times now that the president will on -- what may happen on a specific pose of legislation or a policy decision the a.j. has to make, but setting that aside the attorney general in her or his own judgment has to make independent evaluation of how they are going to just participate in a certain case or determine some other action and to give the audience some sense, can you each reflect on maybe a decision or two you had to make while you were serving in government when you felt like you honor and preserved the idea of doj independence even though it may have created friction. i don't know if there's specific examples that would give the audience a sense of the considerations tha

it would have been better for the country to help bobby kennedy walk into that tall and red ligh-- rallyorces. it would have been great to have a real battle in the convention instead of on the streets of chicago. i am thrilled at the prospect that he would have lived and there would have been a debate over the war. it might have gone the right direction. it would have been a battle which we needed in the party and country. i hoped he would win. i can only predict -- i am pretty good at predicting elections thursday following tuesday. 2022 is going to be a cliffhanger. 2024 is going to be a cliffhanger. in our current situation, the 50-50 elections, we have to get voting rights straight. i believe, this is not the democratic field, i want the result election night. maybe for people serving armed dutch in the armed, overseas maybe have deadlines. allow pallets to be in the hands of the countries that day, evening so people can go to bed and know who the president is. if we do not do that we will have questions of skepticism. why does it take a week? the magnum people know there is an elec