. >> bobby kennedy is my political hero, my house looks like a shrine to the kennedy family. >> and you for president. >> i'm attempted to some of the ideals of the '60s, there's something beautiful there that we need to attach ourselves to again. that said, this is hard because i believe in redemption, i believe in second chances. at the same time, man, he took away dreams. he took away a lot of hope. and this country, this world, is radically changed as a consequence. i have to factor that in. >> what about the family? they're not divided evenly. does that matter you to? >> profoundly. come on, bobby's wife. if i want a point of view, that's going to be profoundly determineative determinative. iffeth if ethel calls me up, that will make a difference. it hasn't come to my desk, it's a matter of months, it's coming up. it's generated a lot of interest. i'll tell you, you asked this question. i've gotten emails and text messages from folks that are some of the most heartfelt and deep and emotional. >> on both sides of the issue? >> on both sides of this issue. it hits home. >> john hinck

you have bobby kennedy's family divided and what he has the say about ethel kennedy is so informative, because as you know, his name sake is in favor of letting him be released, and ethel kennedy is very much against it. it's always interesting to hear from your governor, gavin newsom. >> that's an interesting interview, indeed. i do want to quickly ask you another question while we still have you. you have the director of the cdc, dr. rochelle lewinsky. >> she certainly strongly indicated that it would be the week after halloween, so they are not going to make halloween for the ghosts and goblins and the transformers and superheroes, but the week after most likely it will be approved, because all the data is pointing to that it's safe. we are still seeing already a lot of resistance in the kaiser poll. 1 in 4 parents saying they would never vaccinate their kids for covid despite for decades kids had to have vaccinations to go to school. we have also talked about boosters. >> that will be interesting to get that update from dr. lewinsky. walensky. plus, there will be exclusive intervi

winning columnist for "washington post" and tim miller, contributor to the bullwork. 13 days in may, bobby kennedywent eye-to-eye with the soviets and they blinked. schumer/mcconnell less than that, is this a victory to the democrats and a thank you to mitch mcconnell? >> somewhat less fraught but fraught, global economic collapse if the u.s. defaulted on his debt and yes, mitch mcconnell blinked, no question about it. chalk it up as a victory for the democrats. they get, yes, only a few weeks, maybe a couple of months of extension of the debt ceiling but politics will be exactly the same when this comes up again. you know, when it runs out again and we're once again at the brink. meanwhile they have time once again, not just to agree on the reconciliation bill, build back better agenda, but also to talk about it. and to explain it, first decide what's going to be in it, then let people know so they can sell it. that's what they ought to get about doing now. they have a big victory today, but let's get on with governing now. those approval numbers will stabilize. hopefully for biden, go up. >> tim

eugene i think it was tearing 13 days and may their quote attributed to bobby kennedy said to his brotheru went ida eye with the soviets and they blanked. while the schumer mcconnell dynamic maybe less fraught than that, is that basically what happened here? is this a victory for the democrats and i thank you note to mcconnell? >> while you know the situation is somewhat fraught, that is pretty fraught. we're talking about local economic collapse if the u.s. default on the state. yes mcconnell -- there's no question about that. you have to chop this up as a victory for the democrats, they get what they really wanted, they get yes only a few weeks, maybe a couple months of -- . the politics will be exactly the same when this comes up again. you know when it runs out again, and we are once again at the -- . meanwhile, they have time once again, not just to agree on the reconciliation bill, the build back better agenda, but also to talk about it. to explain it, and first decide what's going to be in, and let people know, so they can sell it. that's what they ought to get about doing now. the

. >> bobby kennedy is my political hero. to the kennedy family. >> you wonder why some of us ask if you're interested in running for president. >> i tap in to the '60s, service, contribution, something that we need to attach ourselves oorps to again. that said, this is hard because i believe in redemption. i believe in second chances. at the same time, he took away dreams. he took away a lot of hope. this country, this world has radically changed as a consequence. i have to factor that in. >> what about the family? you could say they're not -- they're not divided evenly. does that matter to you? >> profoundly. bobby's wife, if i want to preview a pint of view, that's going to be profoundly -- >> if eegtal kennedy calls me up and expressing her point of view, there's weight and there's a different level and weightiness of weight. that's a call from eegtal kennedy. i'm not looking for that call. but i'm very desire yous to get a sense of where she is. >> when do you have to make the decision? >> it hasn't been formally brought

i'm thinking of people like bobby kennedy who didn't ever have detailed prescriptions as a campaignerovernment was far less complex than it is now. >> yeah, but even still, you know, as many people have frequently remarked, martin luther king jr. did not get famous for saying i have a complaint. nor did he get famous for saying i have a multi bulleted list of policy proposals. i think the professionalization of not just government but of advocacy, of movement speak, in the grass roots and informal elected office has meant that there is this notion we need to sound like the adults in the room. we need to give very detailed policy and facts and if we give facty facts people will realize we are very serious and unimpeachable when in fact persuasion is fact neutral. you can have a deeply persuasive argument that is star studded with facts and you can have a persuasive argument that has few to none. but facts will actually never make your case. if you want people to come to your cause, you need to be attractive. i actually think that while what you've outlined, you know, the reliance upon

passed away, with bobby kennedy, signed by him a few months before he died. this is a tough one. >>> we'll be back monday with more "meet the press daily." if it's sunday, it's "meet the press" on your local nbc news station. msnbc coverage continues right now with my good friend yasmin vossoughian. >>> hey, everybody, good afternoon. i'm yasmin vossoughian. good to be with you. as we come on the air we have breaking news from the supreme court, which announced just a short time ago that it will hear a case relating to that texas law that effectively bans nearly all abortions in the state. for the supremes, the hearing will happen at lightning speed, just over a week from now, on november 1. the court, however, declined to block the law, at least not immediately. so it will remain in place for now. the justices, just like the appeals court previously, did not provide any reasoning behind their decision to allow the law to stand. but justice sonia sotomayor was having none of it, writing this. the promise of future adjudication offers cold comfort for texas wo

in 1960 eight, bobby kennedy and martin luther king were assassinated and they may the white house didn't get burned down. then bobby, martin, getting on the war, race riots, counterculture, drug problems, racial problems and then the vice president resigned in disgrace and we had to come out of vietnam and we didn't win that war, we had a resident resigned in disgrace and there was still the soviet union and china we weren't sure what was doing but was still a communist institution aligned against us. and yet through all of that, we never lost hope and i met a wonderful man, jerry ford came on the scene as our president step a simple midwestern values and people looked at him and were reassured. he brought his back and then president carter had some difficulties with the economy but he moved along and ronald reagan shows up and he says it's sunshine morning in america. it's the soviet union that is gone. it's china that's trying to become a world power, not by invading anybody but by selling to us. they got pretty good at it. imagine where we are now compared to 30 years ago where china

in 1960 eight, bobby kennedy and martin luther king were assassinated and they may the white house didn't get burned down. then bobby, martin, getting on the war, race riots, counterculture, drug problems, racial problems and then the vice president resigned in disgrace and we had to come out of vietnam and we didn't win that war, we had a resident resigned in disgrace and there was still the soviet union and china we weren't sure what was doing but was still a communist institution aligned against us. and yet through all of that, we never lost hope and i met a wonderful man, jerry ford came on the scene as our president step a simple midwestern values and people looked at him and were reassured. he brought his back and then president carter had some difficulties with the economy but he moved along and ronald reagan shows up and he says it's sunshine morning in america. it's the soviet union that is gone. it's china that's trying to become a world power, not by invading anybody but by selling to us. they got pretty good at it. imagine where we are now compared to 30 years ago where china

kennedy: actually not safe. facebook question from what's up, bobby? did you have a nickname growing up, richard? le. dan? >> dan: no. i had no nickname at all. how do you nickname dan? i read one time don. richard just gave me a nickname. did i see one time on twitter top ten names of jerks one of them was dan like number two. i felt kind of bad after i heard that. >> kennedy: jesse? >> jesse: dirty waters. tan dan why is that? >> jesse: not enough time. not on live tv. >> dagen: mary dagen my real name. didn't have a good name in high school. i can't say it on air. it's daga blank. >> dan: your real name is mary dagen? >> dagen: gahanna gagan blank i was full of blank. >> kennedy: short hair and it stuck. instagram question from -- what childhood fear still haunts you today, richard. quick? >> richard: pass. >> kennedy: jesse? >> jesse: rats, mice, vermont. >> kennedy: dagen? >> dagen: eating liver any kind of liver, chicken, cat,. >> dan: brady bunch. the spider ensociety brady bunch. >> kennedy: in hawaii. mine was that my belly rut ton was going to unravel. i still don't like anyone going goi

jackie kennedy after the assassination of her husband and bobby. you talked about the catholic church and said it actually as an institution of faith was remarkably well-suited to help human beings grief through their most difficult times. jackie also said along john kennedy's faith when he was running for president in 1950s, i had no idea. bobby would be one for them to be fearful of because he's a good catholic but it seems to be inconsistency. one other thing we'll go to keir simmons in rome. sometimes these are grim and grin, sometimes it's just the american president meeting the pope and rome and not much more comes from it. but there are times when history moves, the foundation of history moves, you talk about the relationship where dr. bryziky was a friend and knew him well and there was among many people, a small group of leaders who worked with john pope ii and had a dream that the soviets collapsed. had a dream of a free poland and john paul ii along with -- well, dr. bryzinsky and when margaret thatcher and others helped bring that realit

kennedy: i wonder if clarice will be on the case. what can the fbi do with the evidence local law enforcement is already doing? here with me to discuss, retired fbi agent, bobbylcome to the show. they're going to be looking for a lot, what exactly are they looking for? forensically, what would determine who's at fault and who was negligent? >> that will depend on things like the trigger pull on the gun, how much it took to pull the trigger, can you do accidentally or do you have to fall the trigger with enough pressure that you have to consciously do it? there's a question of whether, it's homicide. someone pointed and pulled the trigger killing the person we could talk about, or the assistant director because a person holding a loaded firearm pointing at her person and trigger and pulp in a bar. was it accidental or, that will be determined by what certain things people knew at some times and who is response before knowing that? they will test the weapons and see if the gun go off accidentally i think they will find it cannot, it has to be clocked first, pulled back and blocked in the trigger pull so the person holding the weapon has to do two things, pull t