conversation, i wish we had more time, which i rarely say and talk about debt and debt limits. bobby kogan, senior director of federal budget policy of the center for american progress, and gordon, gray, director of fiscal policy at the american action forum. thank you so much for a great conversation. thank you basically here. so what's the bottom line here is the paradox growing. the national debt can actually help grow the economy and it can increase the private sector as well. even as the government's debt burden gets heavier. but too much debt can drive up inflation, it can make the dollar lose value, and it can undermine confidence in the future. no one has a magic wand and knows how to balance america's budget. no matter what the country's leaders say. so yes, america will keep printing money. as for the politicians, though, the debate on the debt ceiling is going to go to the brink. i think we're probably going to be ok. still, there's always a chance that someone may misstep, misjudge, or misfire. and then things can go downhill and really, really fast. and that's the bottom line.

host: bobby kogan is the senior director of federal policy at the

host: bobby kogan is the senior director of federal policy at the center.ore i had on the program here on "washington journal." next, dr. jonathan metzl will be with us. we will be talking about "stand your ground" laws and gun violence in recent weeks in the country. your comments and questions welcome, next. >> tonight, on "q&a," a biography of the first lady and her influence on the role of first lady and the extent to which she secretly covered for president wilson after he became incapacitated by his stroke in 1919. >> who was this country bumpkin who suddenly decided she could be the executive? throughout her life, she showed she was the sort of person who barreled into a situation she might not know exactly how to handle and handled it beautifully. tough, smart, relied on her own opinions, funny. she was one of those people who put everyone at ease. those are positive attributes. she was also quick to hold a grudge, racist. she had a somewhat fickle regard. >> tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span's "q&a." you can listen to all of our podcasts on our fre

host: bobby kogan is the senior director of federal policy at the center.ore i had on the program here on "washington journal." next, dr. jonathan metzl will be with us. we will be talking about "stand your ground" laws and gun violence in recent weeks in the country. your comments and questions welcome, next. >> tonight, on "q&a," a biography of the first lady and her influence on the role of first lady and the extent to which she secretly covered for president wilson after he became incapacitated by his stroke in 1919. >> who was this country bumpkin who suddenly decided she could be the executive? throughout her life, she showed she was the sort of person who barreled into a situation she might not know exactly how to handle and handled it beautifully. tough, smart, relied on her own opinions, funny. she was one of those people who put everyone at ease. those are positive attributes. she was also quick to hold a grudge, racist. she had a somewhat fickle regard. >> tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span's "q&a." you can listen to all of our podcasts on our fre