he w's bobby sina caught up with the chief executive here in berlin. the u. k is already in a recession and the euro zone overall is looking at a very gloomy economic outlook. is this all putting you in an optimistic or pessimistic mood? hugely optimistic. i mean what we have seen through the last 4 or 5 recession. so it was the gulf war, 911 day financial crisis, 2011. actually more and more people switch to low cost air flying during the recession. so i think one year will grow more strongly if there is a recession, as it looks like in the next couple of years. people will not stop flying. they're just flying the expensive air. airlines like last hands and k 11 air france and they're switch increasingly to right here in 2008. you said that you would welcome a recession because it would and i quote, help see off the environmental nonsense. are you looking forward to this session for the same reason? no, i'm looking forward to, you know, be, look forward to recession, but there's no doubt the recessions are good for ryan airs. business, you know, we were inve