paul ryan, john boehner among them in the past. you speak to many sitting republican lawmakers today. you speak to lawmakers who know it's a lie, right? that trump won the election. they know it's a lie that it wasn't trump supporters that stormed the capitol. how do they explain accepting that and not standing up to the lie? how do they explain it to you? >> i think that's what got liz cheney in trouble, she's making them confront it. it's not that they want to debate the merits of it. no one is going to really argue with you -- wants the argue the facts with you. that's what makes liz cheney's stand so great. it is not that she's going out and saying hyperbolic things about donald trump and calling him names. she is just saying things that are obviously true. and republicans main message at this point is let's move on. they don't want to talk about it. it's not because they don't want to talk about donald trump. it's because they don't want to talk about their role leading up to january 6th. >> but the move on thing -- the move o

up next former house speaker john boehner reflects on his political career and the future of the republicanith his new book "on the house." former democratic senator carl levin of michigan talks about his experience serving in the senate for 36 years. >>> john served as the 53rd speaker of the united states house of representatives. from january, 2011 to october, 2015. during his tenure he led the drive for the less costly and more accountable federal government. he grew up in a large roman catholic family inca southwesten ohio and attended an all male high school in cincinnati before earning a degree in business from xavier university. he then took a job at a plastics company news site sales where he eventually became president. in 1984 he was elected to be the ohio house of representativesan and remained in office until his election to the u.s. house of representatives in 1990. he represented the eighth congressional district of ohio in the house from 1991 to 2015. the senior strategic advisor for the policy forums. his appearance with us this afternoon is fortuitous given the enormous no

mccarthy has obviously watched john boehner go down in the face of tea party acre -- activism and hard liners and he thought he had successfully co-opted the right wing of his party. get them on board. that as always been his main worry. he didn't have to worry so much more about these moderates you have to win in tough districts. >> right. >> and so that calculous is now scrambled because of the way donald trump is welding power in this party. it's strictly on the basis of fear, right? it's not as though donald trump has more levers than that, all he has is threats to deploy himself against people, chuck? >> it was so anti clamatic today. speed. it was almost if they wanted to hurry up and get this behind them as if they're embarrassed for what they're doing. for whatever reason nobody seems to be wanting to celebrate this vote, which i think tells you they know deep down what they're doing here is probably not a good thing. >> they didn't want to go on the record, chuck, and that surprised some members of the house of republican conference. kevin got up. he said a few words and then

i mean, hey, john boehner -- wait actually, wait a second.ted, honey, if you're watching, that's the stain i want for the back deck okay hey! john boehner, all of a sudden you have advice for republicans? you know what would have been a good time for that when you worked with them every day. you regret not working with obama on immigration reform? well, he was right there the dude was dying for somebody to work with him you think he wanted to have lunch with joe biden every damn day? jill doesn't even want that. here's a good rule of thumb. write a book if you have useful information for me but if you want me to listen to all your regrets, pick up an acoustic guitar. and hey, you think the republican party's been taken over by wack jobs? you tell the story in your book of the time alaska representative don young held a knife to your throat you can't act like republicans turned crazy after you left. what do they have now, bigger knives and hey, don't try to ingratiate yourself with liberals by saying you also hate ted cruz that doesn't make yo

i think we are getting speaker john boehner back. welcome back, sir. we understand your having bad weather on the other coast. >> guest: no bad weather. we had a little blink in the lights and my wi-fi went out, sorry about this but it happened. >> i think ted cruz did it. let me ask if you could handpick a republican presidential candidate for 2024 who would you choose and why? >> i try to stay out of the hypothetical questions. there will be a lot of good people running. i am a fan of christie gnome, former house member from south dakota, now she is the governor of south dakota and, a hard worker, the fine line between various factions, america has been blessed because we are to party country like europe where you have 12 political parties and nobody can get the majority. we have a 2-party system, because of that within the parties, we have traditional republicans, and trip republicans, not always on the same page but a pretty good line between these factions. it is very attractive. >> is our 2-party system in jeopardy? are we watching the emergence

senior political analyst kirsten powers and brandon buck, a former top aide to paul ryan and john boehner. good evening to both of you. i mean here we go again. what is -- kirsten, what is ron johnson doing? >> you know, i -- i -- >> you're at a loss for words? >> he's another person whose head i cannot get inside of. but it really is -- this whole thing is just completely horrifying and depressing really. earlier when i was watching the replay, you know, as we've seen it so many times of what happened on january 6th, and really just sitting back and thinking, wow, the republican party really thinks that this doesn't need to be investigated. it's just -- it's just incredible to try to get your mind around that, that they are actually willing to not only get to the bottom of it in terms of holding people accountable, but don't even seem to want to prevent it from happening again, despite the fact that you have the mother of somebody who was killed going around and meeting with them, and they're not moved by it because it's all political. and for some reason, this can't be tolerated by the

you were a top aide to boehner.e an impact on the party. >> she knows that her days are numbered. i can't read it any other way. there's a vote going to be called next week. she's probably no longer a good fit but she's not going to make this easy on them. what i love about what she's doing, she's not going into hyperbole or saying crazy things about donald trump. she's simply saying clearly obviously true things and it just makes her colleagues squirm and it makes them uncomfortable and she's making them confront uncomfortable truths, not just about donald trump, but about themselves. i think that's where this is really coming to a head. it's not that she's criticizing donald trump. it's that they criticized the role that they all played lieding up to january 6th, what they said an the election being stolen. maybe ten people want to move on from this. they don't want to have to answer these questions or have this hanging over donald trump's head. would she make it uncomfortable for them? i understand why she thinks

their insights on this important story, dana bash and the former top aide to republican speakers john boehnernd paul ryan, brendan buck. liz cheney is daring them to do this. telling the truth, and saying, fine, kick me out. >> he's trying to make a larger point, larger than her own political viability, at least in the short term. that is, this isn't about whether or not i can stay in my job. this isn't necessarily about whether republicans can win back the majority in 2022. this is about the intentions and the intentionality of the long-term viability of the republican party. it cannot be based on everybody grabbing onto something that is a flat out, full on lie. and doing so, because the man who is still the head of the party, the former president donald trump, and his pals in the conservative media, are perpetuating that lie. it's a whole self-fulfilling prophecy that those republicans are engaging in while she's standing up and saying, no, part of the reason why everybody is latching onto the big lie is because of their own politics, because they want to keep their seats, or perhaps get t

. >> i was thinking about the ouster of former john boehner. he stepped down under pressure from hard line republicans. do you see what happened today as an evolution of what started then, or is this really different? >> it's really different, i think. i hadn't thought about it in those terms, but cheney went through a vote and was confirmed again just a couple months ago as the house republican conference chair. boehner was pushed out because they thought he was too weak in negotiating with barack obama, the president at the time. liz cheney is talking incessantly and frequently about donald trump, a president of their own party, and frankly, what republicans say is she's not representative of the republican conference at whole. frankly, she's not. the republican conference as a whole is undyingly faithful to donald trump. some are saying there was not an insurrection at all. this is about not acknowledging, or acknowledging, in cheney's case, a political rally that no one else wants to acknowledge. >> congresswoman cheney, when she was speaki

obama and clinton tax increases with newt gingrich on "meet the press" in 2012. >> the problem for boehnerse tax rate increases because tax rate increases cost american jobs. that gives you to room to give on rates. it is, by the way, not an original thought. who said this? the tax increase will kill jobs and lead to a recession and the recession will force people out of work and on to unemployment and actually increase the deficit. that's newt gingrich in 1993 on the clinton tax increase and those of us who were working on the other side of that tax increase, newt, have been waiting for your apology for 20 years for being completely wrong with that. >> i don't agree with you. >> the economy soared and nobody lost a job. >> bologna. >> you see the recession, there was no recession. >> joining us is jason johnson, professor of politics and journalism and my political contributor and joining us opinion columnist for the post. he is a professor of public policy at georgetown university and now we're going to have a meeting of the faculty club with the two professors here. professor johnson, a

. >>> brendan buck was a top aide to former house speakers paul ryan and john boehner. and ron brownstein is back. brendan, let me begin with you. it's not a complicated vote today. why would republicans vote for it when it could yield nothing but bad information for them just on the cusp of the midterm election? >> yeah, tbad information about donald trump and bad information about their own roles leading up to it. look, we can talk about how they are trying to avoid a midterm surprise right before the election. we can talk about donald trump's sway over the party. i think both of of those things are a big factor in what's taking place. but what you've just been talking about is actually, i think, the much more troubling aspect. what republican senators were doing voting against this commission was reflecting their constituents. this was an easy no vote for them. their constituents -- there's a poll out this week that shows most republicans think that that riot was led by left-wing activists trying to make donald trump look bad. this is the reality a lot of voters have

and that -- boehner is where my head went. >> yeah, she's kept open the option of running for presidenthe win in a base that is just dominated by the former president, and win a primary. it is hard to see that. who knows. but it is so hard to see that. >> this is not just liz cheney in a vacuum. this is also about trump. just listen to kevin mccarthy, the return of dear leader even with president trump no longer in office. >> he was with it and he was engaging and giving me numbers an he was talking. but at no time having know joe biden for quite sometime, does he have the energy of donald trump. we both know it. donald trump didn't need to sleep five hours a night and he would be engaged. >> last time i checked, not being able to sleep was not a sign of someone's -- >> healthy -- >> or whatever it is. it is hero worship. but on top of that, this is a former president who actively accelerating, this is liz cheney's point, accelerating the big lie and attacking mike pence even this weekend. this is a person with unanimous support with republican leadership in the house right now. >> he h

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. >> the most laughable thing is when john boehner and cheney tried to cloak themselves in the mantle of reagan conservatism. >> something worthy of being the party of lincoln and the party of reagan, those are the sort of aspirational set of policy ideals and agenda we have to present to the voters. >> just imagine reagan trying to help the chamber of commerce moves over to china or imagine reagan denouncing the gop base or pandering to the mainstream press and when did reagan for whom i worked support keeping troops in the middle east forever? her dad was gerald ford's chief of staff so the cheney family opposed reagan in 1976. the dinosaurs didn't know when their extinction was at hand and needed to these people but it is high time that house leadership right it's ship and scrape off the barnacle of the bush cheney era and do it once and for all. here's a novel concept. actually appoint someone to leadership who likes republican voters. that is the angle. joining me as mark meadows, former trump white house chief of staff and former congressman, why did leadership make this decisio

] the hill we climbful after that its on the house, former republican speaker of this hours john boehner's reflex on his time in congress and thoughts on the future of the republican party. next, fox news anchor shannon bream profiles women from the bible. and that's follow be required admiral william raven's life lessons. and everything will be okay, former white house press secretary dana perino's recount of her career. ... >> joining tonight in conversation is a client and oil the author of the number one new york times bestseller unchained. selling over 2 million copies. also the author of the number one new york times bestseller love warrior. and activist the founder and president of together raising and all women led nonprofit organization with grassroots philanthropy raising over $5 million for women and children and families in crisis. thank you for joining us. you can take it from here. >> hello. >> hello. >> i've been waiting for this moment for 15 years. >> me to. >> i really and truly have manifested this moment. to be felt me creeping near you last 15 years because then you he

from the obama years when obama thought he had a rational actor on the other side and folks like boehnerltimately could not deliver the caucus. i think that he's learned from that and because of the voters in georgia he's able to get some stuff then in the two-year period and we'll see what happens in 2022. >> president biden ran on uniting the country, reaching across the isle and appealing to country over party. he has been trying. is he losing that narrative now? >> i think he's trying and they're not playing, that's not his card. >> the article of the biden campaign and the administration seems pretty clear to me which is he believes we are in a fundamental struggle for the future of democracy verses aut autocracy. >> i think at least from what i can tell from the polling data that the country thinks he's working hard for them. they are relieved and don't have to wake up this the morning and wonder what the hell in the white house. >> he's my friend and i try to help him when he asks. take it for what it is worth. it has been a really go good -- given the way presidencies tepid to ge

up next former house speaker john boehner reflects on his political career and the future of the republicanith his new book "on the house." former democratic senator carl levin of michigan talks about his experience serving in the senate for 36 years. >>> john served as the 53rd speaker of the united states house of representatives. from january, 2011 to october, 2015. during his tenure he led the drive for the less costly and more accountable federal government. he grew up in a large roman

boehner had a difficult time. does he have to decide to break publicly with cheney? >> we don't know yet. while everyone should acknowledge that president trump lost the election, a campaign of misinformation that led in part to january 6, no one should ever deny that, but you go to war with the army you have rather than the one you want. looking to get votes from a lot of people who don't believe this. that's the tightrope kevin mccarthy is trying to rope. >> when he went to mar-a-lago and kissed the ring, as it were, was that too far? that compared to what he said on january 6 was stunning. >> he went to the white house and met with joe biden and said he was the legitimate president. i think there will be a lot of back and forth on this tightrope of a year ago. >> republican congressman andrew clyde talked about the deadly violence on january 6. >> there was no insurrection and to call it an insurrection in my opinion is a bold faced lie. watching those who entered the capitol and walking through a hall showed people in an orderly fashion and taking pictures. if yo

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joining me to discuss ana navarro, and a top aide to john boehner. i hate to ask that question. boy, i don't want to know. good evening to both of you. brendan, you saw the body camera footage. the video doesn't lie. are these republicans going to have to come clean about the horror of that day? >> no. i think they're running away from it. not just because it's uncomfortable to watch or because it's uncomfortable for donald trump. it's uncomfortable because so many of them were saying things leading up to january 6 that enabled that day. so many of them that were the ones that were questioning the outcome of the election. so yeah, they all want to move on from it. obviously it's not so simple. one of the things i find so maddening about the whole let's move on phrase is that donald trump isn't moving on either. donald trump continues to talk almost every day now about how the election was stolen and that's why it's so important, i think, that liz cheney has decided she's not giving up on this. whenever he speaks out she's going to keep fighting back. that's what is so great. it

brendan buck is with me as well, former top aide to john boehner. thank you for joining me. br brandan, you. tomorrow senate republicans will likely kill any hope of the january 6th commission. it could be their first filibuster. if that happen, does that mean the party is not willing to defend our democracy? what does it mean? >> first of all, i think it means the effort that has taken place to whitewash what has happened has been remarkably successful. there is a poll out that shows a majority of republican voters believe that the riot on january 6th was left by left wing agitators trying to make donald trump look bad. this is the reality that so many republicans are living in right now. so this actually, in a sad way, is an easy vote for republicans to vote no. the voters are hearing from back home think this is all an effort to take on donald trump. it is a party that unfortunately has become held hostage by the base but also a strain of the base, an anti-intellectualism and anti-reality that doesn't allow to us look the truth in the face. so this will end up being an ea

global affairs analyst susan glasser and brendan buck, the former top aide to paul ryan and john boehner. good evening to both of you. susan, matt gaetz, marjorie taylor greene telling their supporters that they want to hear -- what they want to hear tonight. watch this. >> all right. i just got to check something. i just want to make sure i'm in the right place. tell me who is your president. >> donald trump! >> that's my president too. okay. i just wanted to make sure i was with friends and family. >> we have never abandoned trump, and he has never abandoned america. he is still fighting for us. he will continue to fight for us, and we're going to have his back when he does. >> susan, this is crazy. this is madness. this is from one lawmaker under investigation for alleged sex trafficking and another who has pushed qanon lies. how are republican leaders not putting a lid on this? >> don, you know, they're on the same side at this point, the republican leaders. i'm getting some real cult of personality vibes from that rally, which of course has been the entire trump political phenomenon

political commentator amanda commentator, and brendan buck, the former top aide to paul ryan and john boehnerthis is really important stuff, and, you know, amanda, i've made the commitment on the show to continue to talk about the insurrection and what happened on january 6th because it is important to our democracy. several republican senators, including john thune and mike rounds are admitting tonight that they're going to vote against the january 6th commission because it's not good for the 2022 campaigns. amanda, people died. voters were brutally assaulted. our capitol was ransacked and they're not even pretending to care about anything besides the next election. what the hell? >> i mean i think you have to call this what it is. we are watching the cover-up of the big lie in all the deadly, dangerous, consequences of it. you know, this was always going to be a tough vote for these republicans because a vote for the commission is essentially a vote to investigate themselves, or at least their colleagues. and i was very surprised at how upfront that john thune was, saying that he didn't wan

this will be the biggest shake-up since john boehner, the house speaker, abruptly decided to step aside in 2015. this happening in the middle of the term. it's going to happen pretty quickly. >> my gosh, manu, thank you for all these fast-moving developments. >>> with us now we have anchor of "inside politics" on sunday abby fphillip and mark mackinno. mark, isn't this interesting to look at this divide. elise sstefanik, she was recently a rational romney-style republican, and then she found her way to the crazy conspiracy caucus and started peddling the big lie, et cetera. i think that's what we're seeing in the republican party as a whole, but you tell me. >> i wouldn't say that stefanik found her way. it's like she lost her way. i feel like i'm witnessing the death of the republican party, at least as i've known it in my lifetime. liz cheney is twice as conservative as stefanik, the only reason why the post is being taken away from cheney is she's one of the few republicans with the remaining backbone that will stand up and tell the true about what happened on january 6th. that's the

. >> stephen: mika, you're giving off real john boehner vibes tonight with that red wine.man these days. yeah, long book money, got him on the cab'. so, listen, y'all, we've talked many times over the years, over the last four harrowing years. we're quickly approaching the hundredth day of the biden presidency. how's your job been different with 100 days of a new pres'? >> well, it's nice not to wake up and feel like you have to put on a suit of armor wondering where it's going to come from and in what capacity, twitter or whatever. >> stephen: doesn't it feel weird that biden hasn't called you guys losers, though? don't you feel unfulfilled? >> ( laughs ) i know! >> i was thinking, biden hasn't accused me of being a murderer. >> stephen: i'm so sorry. >> but we've got three and a half years left. it could happen. it's a little different. but, you know, it's been so fascinating, because biden, everybody thought he was going to be like f.d.r. or maybe truman parallels, but he's-- he may be turning into really a transformational president. and a lot like reagan who always go

next year after they boosted boehner, paul ryan was dragged into duty. as the cult of donald trump grew, paul ryan was completely and abjectly dragged and humiliated when he did not tow the trump party line culminating in his early retirement from politics. kevin mccarthy understands the rules which are that kevin mccarthy has to humiliate kevin mccarthy. he's has to make him as small and abject as possible to thrive. the story that says it all comes from "the washington post" in january of 2018. he noticed during a flight that then president trump only likes two flavors, cherry and strawberry. the number two republican known in the house known for his cultivation of political alliances bought starbusts and asked a staffer to sort through the pile, placing those two in a jar. he made sure this name was on the side of the gift which was delivered to a grinning trump according to a white house official. donald trump is no longer in office. he lost badly. republicans lost both houses of congress under his watch. he spends his days entertaining at mar-a-lago

>> as i think john boehner said a leader without followers is just taking a walk in the woods by themselves in some way you can say that liz cheney is about to take a walk in the woods by herself. i think she's standing on principle in this moment, as it resulted from the events of january six. i think there is always a question to be had for somebody who comes to politics well informed with an intelligence that took them all the way to the united states congress to say, what took you so long to recognize the threat of donald trump? what did you do to enable this man that actually was able to capture the republican party? but she's making the right decision in the minds of a lot of people in this moment, i think the question is what comes next for like liz cheney. she will remain a republican but she will be on that lonely side of the aisle within the republican party. i have been there, i know it. i think the broader question is where does she go from here? it doesn't appear that there is a viral bullet party that could emerge from this. liz cheney will stay within the party and will be a

he tried to to be speaker an john boehner stepped down and they refused to give him the votes.rking to stay in the good graces of not just centrist and more moderate but also conservatives and trump allies and this is one of the reasons why he has kept trump very close over the years. he knows trump is popular with the base. if he defends him it sticks with him his chances to become speaker are higher. and i think mccarthy is looking at 2022. republicans have a very good shot at flipping the house. i'd think he'd be shocked if they do not all the headwinds are in their favor and that means he's going to have another try to be speaker. obviously members of the conference want to stick with trump. the thing here is that republicans are showing over and over again that they only will allow certain voices. while they're talking about censorship if they go after her did again from the leadership, this is going to be a big distraction trying to flip the house in 2022. and they're going to send a message that they only want a certain type of republican, forget about that big tent. >>

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. >>> i want to bring in michael steele, spokesperson for house boehner, senior advisor to jeb bush at one point. let's start with what we heard on this january 6th commission. the family of the officer who died after that attack on the hill going door to door asking republican lawmakers to support the commission. we heard from his girlfriend there. how do senators say no to that? >> i don't know. it's going to be very hard. i think we can never forget the tragic events of january 6th. the assault on the cathedral of our democracy, the u.s. capitol. i think that the political calculation, which i understand that half of republicans don't believe that the president's supporters did it or he incited them and you need those voters next year, it's a very hard argument to make to grieving widows, grieving mothers and tell them that the justice department is investigating. there will be other commissions, other investigations. this particular approach is not something i can support. i think it's a risk for republicans in the sense that if there isn't a bipartisan commission along these lines

>> john boehner once said a leader without followers is taking a walk in the woods. i do think she is standing on principle in this moment as it resulted from the events of january 6th. i think there is always a question to be had for somebody that comes to politics well informed with an intelligence that took them to the united states congress to say what took you so long to recognize the threat of donald trump. what did you do to enable this man that captured the republican party. the question is what comes next for liz cheney. she will likely remain a republican but will be on the lonely side of the aisle in the republican party. i have been there and i know it. i think the broader question is where do they go from here. it does not appear that there is a viable republican light party that could emerge from this. liz cheney will stay in the party. i imagine she will be a voice of conscious and reason but not a voice of leadership in today's republican party any longer. >> you saw mitch mcconnell going out of his way, referring to joe biden, referring to socialists

like so many other formers from john boehner to george w. bush, he hasn't spoken out that often, maybe a little bit more than those too. he did vote to certify the electoral college saying to his former republican colleagues and his caucus, please do not challenge it. there is a time where he does feel like he is going to speak out. he's going to give a speech telling -- talking about how he feels about how the party is in the wrong direction, the party should not be supporting donald trump anymore. he was invited to speak to the reagan library. this is a new series that reagan library is doing, a speaker series. he is the first. he decided to use that platform for this. it's kind of an interesting place to do it. i've not talked to any republican who thinks that ronald reagan who held up as the icon of conservatism would have anyplace in the republican party that we see today. >> yeah. that's interesting point. dan yashgs thank you for that reporting. >> overnight, a ninth victim, nine died after that deadly shooting at the rail yard in san

support and that this would be the biggest shake-upch republican leadership that we've seen since john boehner stepped down as the house speaker in 2015. >> manu, what does congresswoman cheney have to say? >> behind the scenes he's not moving to try to lock down support unlike in february in february when she survived an attempt to push her out. that time she spent time on the phone explaining her vote to impeach donald trump and eventually won a vote pretty easily in the house republican conference. this time she's not doing that. she's saying privately she's telling her allies she won't lie or stay quiet in order to keep her post and one person familiar with liz cheney's thinking told me earlier today that she's fighting this larger battle that's for the soul of the party and preserving the foundations of our democracy, so she sees exactly where this vote is headed. her voice will be heard in the hours and days to come, but she's making it clear here that she accepts what's going to happen and will argue why the president and his team are wrong by arguing the election was stolen. jake. >> b

michael steele, a former advisor to republicans like john boehner and jeb bush and alice stewart, a republicanformer communications director for ted cruz. we're grateful to have you both. thank you for joining us. i want to get your reaction to liz cheney doing this media circuit on her way out of leadership. she's calling out donald trump, kevin mccarthy, saying we have to save the party. the reality is, the majority of republicans don't think the. party needs to be saved from donald trump? >> let me just say, boris, liz cheney is 100% in everything she just said. we need to stick to the truth. we need to stick to policy. i've supported everything she's said with regard to we have free and fair election that's joe biden won, donald trump lost. we should not have had the insurrection. we should not have challenged the outcome of results. but the truth is, in her position of leadership, she needed to focus on taking our fight to joe biden and not litigating her fight with donald trump. and that is why she is no longer in the position. but i do expect with the new leadership under elise stefanik

that's the way that boehner describes lincoln. this is a man who evolved in his time in office and was very receptive to ideas around him, not only from people like douglas but from african-american friends that he had back in springfield. even from interactions with elizabeth penfield and others around him. who he met and who he met with in his time in office so i was wondering, they're not identified necessarily as mentors or they, his court of second stage of mentorship as he enters the white house that he enters into sort of a new era of mentorship that get him to the point where we know he is i the end of his term which is to see slavery as this imperative, moral and evil that is an imperative to be fixed. >> is a great question, the short answer is i don't think there's any hierarchy of mentors . he's learned from everybody's as i mentioned before so one is more significant but your absolutely right. he is learning from african-american times in the book. and obviously frederick douglass is one of them. he and douglas intera

back in 2015 when john boehner had enough of the extreme right wingers taking over and packed it in, kevin tossed his hat into the ring and the very next he went on fox news and told the truth for once. >> everybody thought hillary clinton was unbeatable, right. we put together a benghazi special committee, a select committee. what are her numbers today? her numbers are dropping. why? because she's untrustable but no one would have known any of that happened have we made something good. >> i give you credit for that. >> seems like he could have used someone else pulling the strings. >> the next week he dropped out saying that comment wasn't helpful. probably not. also not helpful. rumors than alleged extramarital affair derailed that bid. a gop colleague circulating a letter calling on members with misdeeds to step aside. a gop donor was e-mailing threats to expose mccarthy and then colleague of north carolina. at the time, kevin denied that personal issues led to his decision to drop out. it seemed that some of in the republican circle didn't think he was fit to lead back then which

clint watts, former fbi agent and brentia buck, longtime republican aid to speakers ryan boehner, amonge in three, jeh johnson, believe a storm is coming. i can get into it with the republican party, we will in a minute, but how much do you look at this poll and see a security risk for this country? >> yes, chuck, i see a public health risk in this country because of the anti-vaccine sentiment that is expressed here. i see a homeland security, national security risk. think about this, one in six americans believe that the government is controlled by satan-worshipping pedophiles. and i see a threat to our very democracy if one in every five or six americans believe these things, it makes it awful hard to try to reach a compromise on the most basic of issues, like the one you were just talking about, january 6th commission. so in many ways this is not surprising. i think we all knew this kind of poll was coming given the state of our politics, given the state of public sentiment right now and it is very, very troubling. i hope all americans take the time to understand this poll. >> you kn

liz cheney is, we have not seen a shakeup from the house republican congress like this when john boehnerbruptly resigned his speakership. that's what's going to happen here. liz cheney is out because of her calling out donald trump and she's not going down quietly, expect more pushback on donald trump's claims in the days ahead. >> so as you watch this play out, lthe books are cooked, if you will, the fix is in to make her the new number three, introducing herself to the country and to maybe some in the party who don't know her. go on the podcast of steve bannon, pardoned by the former president because of ethical and legal questions about his behavior and listen to alee stefonik, she's for trump. >> i fully support the audit in arizona, we want transparency, and answers for the american people. what are the democrats so afraid of. the american people deserve transparency. we want to fix our election security and election integrity. >> the votes were counted in arizona, opportunity to do a recount the way the laws work, the republican party used to be the party of law and order. and now

and now he has been replaced by brett kavanaugh, ruth boehner has been replaced by someone else, and i cannot count to five votes on the supreme court that will uphold anything that gets passed by this congress to secure the voting rights act. so i don't know what we are doing if we are not expanding the court, if we are not aggressively expanding the court, we are doing nothing to protect voting rights act. because john roberts announce six conservatives can destroy whatever congress passes out of this congress, this is easily as they destroy the initial act. >> it is such a good point. stay with us here. it points to, you're totally right, john roberts is sitting there saying that i've been on a date with my wife, he sitting there watching the oysters coming over, he's sitting there watching bill one and saying bring it over. >> bring the lobster. >> i know to do with that bill. you're totally right about that. it speaks in some ways to the profundity of the democratic states here before all this stuff is just the small wiggling a taxed, it's 100,000 votes here, but the spirit of i

i watched speaker pelosi, speaker boehner, and speaker ryan deal with members of their own parties whoame embarrassments or scandals and they forced them to resign because they thought it was important to maintain a certain standard of conduct. now we have taylor greene and her anti-semitic comments. i'm glad that the leadership pushed back on her, belatedly. that said, there has to be a consequence. and that consequence should be expulsion from the house republican conference. >> never gonna happen. >> well, i said that at the time she was nominated for that seat in georgia that she should never have been welcomed into the conference and not assigned any committees. i think they should do it. i am sure leader mccarthy is feeling some pressure from some of his members in those marginal districts who do not want to have to explain or answer to her insanity any longer. >> look, but charlie, hold on a second. even if he's getting pressure, they still want him to wind up in the same place she is, which is you use any ugly tactic you can to blame something bad on democrats. at a time when t

when boehner was speaker, ryan, they were pretty good about pushing out the kooks and empowering the mainstream. >> i just don't see -- >> go ahead. >> i was just going to say, i want to build on that, which is, how do you build a governing party where you marginalize, as chairman charlie is saying, actual conservative republicans like liz cheney who is not going to support what biden is doing. >> i have an answer for you. you will be bound together by your collective victimization. and here is how it happens. this is now in the democrats' lap, right? what are their people pushing for on the left flank especially? blow up the filibuster. muscle it through. these people won't work with you. we're making the case right now, they won't work with you, we have to do this. but the moment that they do, i think joe manchin is right, and i don't think there's just one joe manchin in that party either, they're just letting him do the talking for them in the senate. they will revisit upon you, this blown-up filibuster, in a way democrats could never get together and marshal power. mcconnell wil