i like john boehner. think that he is a good american and wants the government to really do what we're supposed to be doing. is that we're helping people where people can't be helped any pertain further by their own initiatives. i personally believe he is in for a sad awakening next year. and i would like him to stand up and say let's have a clean vote on the budget. that is what we need right now. let's get on with the other issues of the debt and the other issues of where this country is going in terms of its investments. if you look at the last four months in terms of economic growth. if you look at the housing prices and where mortgages are going and where -- now we have a decline, thank god, in foreclosures. we're going in the right direction. but these republicans don't want this president to succeed. and that is where it is at. people are not dumb. they can understand this. i support the health care act, i think it is going to work. they don't want it to be successful. why not? should they have a p

speaker boehner unsuccessful. they were none too kind to boehner about those efforts that he made.ne it down a little here to give boehner that breathing room that some say he needs to get something done? >> i think it would be helpful if both sides turned it down. i also think if it would be helpful if the irrational house gop caucus would understand they cannot impose their will on the american people by bringing us literally, literally to the day before we are supposed to default on our debt. this is not -- that is not a rational way of doing business. that is not a rational way of running our government. that is not a realistic way of trying to convince the american people that you're on their side. and so robert said rational and realistic. bringing us to this date right now as we speak, this is not the way to run your government. both sides are guilty here. both sides are guilty are spending, both sides of guilty of malfeasance, but you can't let a crazy faction of 40 right wing members of the house gop bring the entire federal government to its knees. that is simply not okay

here was bill maher on friday night. >> poor john boehner. poor john boehner.e is in the middle of this republican party civil war. there is a war now going on in the republican party, between the old school republicans and the tea party. and the tea party is running the show. the republican party is like the corpse in "weekend at bernie's." and the tea party is like the two guys who put sunglasses and a party hat on it and drag it around. >> and many on twitter were surprised to find the popular game show "family feud" seemed to be getting in on the action with some harsh words for boehner. quote, speaker boehner stop letting extremists sabotage your economy. end the tea party shutdown now. don't let ted cruz run the u.s. as it turned out, the show says its account was hacked. and the tweet has been taken down. next up, he may have his hands full, but that didn't stop president obama to weigh in on a longtime washington debate. the name over the washington redskins. for years, many have said it's ethnic stereotyping. while the team defenders say it's a test to

and boehner was dealt a bad hand. they are not interested in anything but their own ideology and they are willing to put it in front of the country. that's what they have done. it would have been better for the republicans if this never happen and better for the country. but boehner did what he had to do and stood up to the right wing. >> we have a minute and a half left in the vote. luke russert, on john boehner's leadership style that's what's at issue here. when did he stand up and say this is what we must do and when does the speaker basically have to let the members discover what their own limitation are? >> john boehner's leadership style since he took the gavel has been really to follow where the members want to go and let the hot air out of the place -- to use his own language -- and that, he believes lets everyone bark and scream and yell but at the end of the day they come back home and ultimately do what is the smart thing. in this case, john boehner did not want this fight and did not want to shout shut do

i give john boehner credit. i don't, fault, i fault boehner for letting this go this far. but i don't blame him for trying to keep his caucus together. it couldn't be done in the face of recalcitrant stubbornness, which put the party and cause before the country. >> what about -- i disagree with that. isn't the job of leadership to tell their party and guide them and tell them limitations of certain strategic ambition. isn't the job of leadership to say, listen, we won't be able to fund obama care through this and makes no sense to do it. confuse why boehner at the whims of the party opposed to leading it. >> i've can speak to the boehner leadership style. >> these are, these are -- >> we haven't seen people in the house since the know-nothings in 1840. boehner was dealt a bad hand. they're not interested in anything except their own ideology. and they're willing to put that in front of the country. that's exactly what they have done. i don't -- look, it would have been much better for the republicans if this never happened. much better for the country if we hadn't had thi

more than john boehner does. and that's why boehner turned tail.just if you do what we want you to do we will contribute money to your campaign or if you don't do, then maybe we will run some ads against you. as david is saying they are the ones with all the influence among the base. it's not really the outside groups that these congressmen are fearing. it is the rabid republican base in their districts coming up and showing up at town halls and screaming at them. >> listen, you can't count on outside groups. >> david, there used to be a center of both parties that resisted the impulses that were coming from the left edge of the party and there was also a conservative edge of the democratic party represented by senators that we no longer have. and just like the republican party used to have the different factions. this thing you describe as just a handful. >> john boehner has absolutely no leverage over this radical band of jackals within his own party. they worry about coke money. they don't want it against them. they don't care about being chairm

boehner set that vote for tonight. that all happened late this afternoon, and the next thing to happen was this. heritage action announced that it would score that vote, it's the political arm of jim demi demint's heritage foundation. reid has been calling the shutdown a temporary slowdown and we essentially told republicans in congress to keep it going. that left boehner with no choice but to call off the vote, not because he didn't want to pass a bill, not because he didn't want to get this all behind him but because he didn't have the votes. back to senator reid and back to senator mcconnell. there are reports that a deal is imminent. any deal they reach still has to get through the house. john boehner still has to somehow get it done. can he survive getting that done? why should anyone believe he can? he's not been able to do it so far. crashing through the debt ceiling would be -- where does john boehner get the votes to make ur it doesn't happen. joining us right now the robert cos costa, thanks for being here, r

moments ago tried to call boehner's bluff in the debt debate. >> speaker boehner keeps on saying he doesn't have the votes for it, and what i've said is put it on the floor, see what happens. >> by cnn's count, the votes may indeed be there. 200 democrats and 18 republicans tell cnn they would vote for a clean continuing resolution to fund the government, and while the president was speaking, senator reid called his colleagues to the chamber of the senate to talk about the crisis. there, republican senators took to the floor and said it's time for the higher chamber to lead the compromise. >> there's a number of issues that we could sit down and negotiate, within an hour, if we will stop, stop attacking each other and impugning people's integrity and honor. >> good luck with that. so what card will the speaker play now? let's bring in our panel. senior writer for the washington examiner, phillip klein, hillary rosen and national political correspondent for the "new york times" jonathan martin. still feels good to say that. john, i want to play some more sound from the president and

but ultimately, it rests with speaker boehner.e's got to decide, as congressm congressman van hollen said, he's got to decide is he peeker of the far right republican right wing or speaker of the united states of america? >> mitch mcconnell stalled today. can you trust the guy? here all of a sudden boehner comes up with a proposal, and then mcconnell takes a step back from all of this when he was working so good with harry reid. is mcconnell still stalling in talks with reid? >> well, i don't know if he's stalling. i hope it's only a hiccup, it's only a bit of a delay when the clock is ticking on something so very, very important to our economic future and our reputation as a nation. i am still hopeful that mcconnell does the right thing here. i know he's faced with a difficult tea party primary in kentucky. we know what that makes politicians do sometimes, how fearful some can be. but i'm -- i believe that in the end mcconnell will do the right thing, work this out with reid, send it to the house. and it's up to john boehner to s

this a way boehner does not. he is facing a critical challenge from the right and greater general election challenge down the road as he gets through the primary. he is trying to make deals and making a fight against the secretary of state. mcconnell hauled in $2.3 million. in the same time period, 2.throw million. aside from connell being paralyzed, he signals he is ready to deal on the floor earlier this week. >> let me go over the remarks. we had a good day. i had a good day yesterday and another good day today. i think it's safe to say we faced substantial progress and we look forward to making more progress in the near future. >> nothing is done yet, but if the deal gets done, connell is starting on the right, but it's rare. we haven't seen many profiles on capitol hill lately and there is not great leadership going on, but the closest thing that qualifies, he is making a risky move and putting his own career on the line for something that has to get done. shouldn't go unnoticed. the people he loafs, the sen

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what would a gutsy john boehner do?ow back to you who are watching this craziness from some distance. the republicans' latest offer would reopen the government but only until december 15th. then would come just before christmas and the holidays another big government shutdown with all the trimmings. just to get that far, the right wing of the republican caucus is filling the president's bags with more lumps of coal. matters so small they don't deserve mention. joining me right now is congresswoman donna edwards of maryland. i want you to try and explain to the people out there who are trying to understand this, what is the republican caucus officially led by john boehner although i don't think he has his heart in it. this attempt you add on more to the load that we have to end up dumping in two days from now. making it harder and harder through all these new additions to the deal if there is one that there won't be a deal. your thoughts. what are they up to? >> i would love to be able to tell you, but what i think of th

that was a sad, dejected bonn boehner. that was a john boehner who had one thing to say.is usually jovial with reporters, likes to talk. he didn't want anything to do with us tonight. he wanted to get to bed or plot the next move about how to keep the government open. as far as that question i posed to him, alex, one of the under reported stories here on the hill is these federal workers who will be furloughed. there's no guarantee they get their pay back. you are from d.c. you know how many federal workers there are in the dmv area. i was speaking to a few of them today and there is a real worry because of the appetite of cutting spending in congress you could see it go on a few dans these folks be presented with house saying why should we pay you for days you didn't work. but where we move on from here your guess is as good as mine. the idea to move from confer rhees, that prized them. they didn't see that coming. that was supposed to be the magic bullet that was supposed to solve this. harry reid will table that later on today. the idea is they have to pass a clean gov

that was a sad john boehner, that was a dejektsed john boehner. he had one thing to say. he's usually quite jovial with reporters. he didn't want anything to do with us. he wanted to go to bed or plot the next step. one of the more underreported stories here on the hill is these federal workers are going to be furloughed. there's no guarantee they get their pay back. you're from dc. you know how many federal workers there are in the area. there's a real worry that because of the appetite for cutting spending in this congress, you can see this shut down go on for a few days and these phones be presefolks be p the house republicans saying why should we pay you when you didn't work. but as far as where we move on from here your guess is as good as mine. apparently, that was supposed to be the magic bullet that was going to solve that. harry rooeeid is going to table later on today. they're still going to have to pass a clean cr bill. it's a question of when, not if. and we don't know. we do not know. there could be some more riders attached on the bills going back to the sen

the treasonist, john boehner.t down the government and they will not pay the bills to get their way. >> what about williams and brokaw and lawyerer think of this knucklehead. >> i've got to tell you, sean, that's what carl marx believed. >> and today's top trender, ryan's hope. >> i'm very proud of my pro life record. >> paul ryan adds the war on women into the shutdown debate. >> we need to completely rethink government's role in health care. >> there is an extreme faction in the house of representatives that just can't let this go. >> we don't want a country where abortion is simply outlawed. we want a country where it isn't even considered. >> so sean hannity goes to name calling on big eddy. sean, wherever you want to debate, you name the place, the time, you can even take the gate, because i know you like doing that kind of stuff, okay? come on. give me a chance, sean. let's see if i'm the knucklehead that you think i am. let's have a debate, handy. certainly you're punching up, in my opinion. i'm joined now

up next, speaker john boehner.t to you live, straight ahead. [ male announcer ] this is claira. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for her, she's agreed to give it up. that's today? [ male announcer ] we'll be with her all day to see how it goes. [ claira ] after the deliveries, i was okay. now the ciabatta is done and the pain is starting again. more pills? seriously? seriously. [ groans ] all these stops to take more pills can be a pain. can i get my aleve back? ♪ for my pain, i want my aleve. [ male announcer ] look for the easy-open red arthritis cap. >>> we're awaiting a statement from house speaker john boehner any moment now. and here he comes. here he is. >> a pleasant conversation. although i have to say, i was disappointed that the president refuses to negotiate. when it comes to the issue of funding our government, the house has passed four bills. four bills to fund our government and provide fairness to the american people under obama care. each of those four bills was rejected by the unite

meantime, speaker boehner is the target of a new act by a democratic super pac. >> speaker john boehner didn't get his way on shutting down health care reform, so he shut down the government. >> we have one bright spot, a positive development with the pentagon calling 300,000 furloughed civilian workers back to work. chuck hagel saying they are essential to supporting the military. that still leads more than 400,000 government workers on furlough and without a paycheck. nbc news capitol hill correspondent luke russert joining us now. what are the chances speaker boehner will take up the president's challenge and hold the clean vote? >> reporter: zero as we stand right now. the speaker of the house was forceful in his interview on sunday show saying the votes aren't there in the house of representativeses. folks on the democratic side say it's not true. the popular conventional wisdom, if they did put it on the floor it would pass because of the fact of the matter, you saw 22 rpz on there. for boehner to strengthen his negotiating hand he wants to keep that out. where this is going and w

john boehner was there a moment ago. i want to get straight -- mitch mcconnell, i believe, is speaking. he is getting into his suv. let me get straight to jim acosta who is at the white house. we saw john boehner speak. who else spoke? a 90-minute meeting. what happened? >> all we've seen so far, you caught me poking down the driveway for a few moments. all we've seen so far is house speaker john boehner coming out of west wing. he gave a very brief statement saying at this point, the white house will not negotiate over this shutdown that is now into day two. obviously, house republicans would like to see some sort of concession on obama care. the president, if you listen to what john bain her to say right after this meeting, the white house is not offering that. what john boehner said, he still wants to have conferrees pointed. what does that mean? what house republican wos like to have the senate do is send members from the senate into a joint house senate conference to try to work out some sort of agreement. senate de

john boehner used to be dr. jekyl and now he's mr. hyde. the john boehner that nine times avoided some kind of national tragedy by allowing democrats and republicans who are sane to get together and pass a bill, that's the same john boehner that wouldn't let lee even rename a bill last friday, saying, yes, we're doing this piecemeal thing, but we would much rather be doing a comprehensive and clean cr. he wouldn't even let me rename the bill that way. and that's the john boehner we're facing right now. i think john boehner has to go. >> so why are the democrats even entertaining negotiation at this point with mitch mcconnell, when a clean bill is sitting right there to open up the government? i mean, what could -- i mean, what could they possibly be talking about? why give anything to the republicans? you have been in business. you know what confiscatory rates are. sometimes you lose everything. sometimes you have to just do what you've got to do for the good of the order and for the good of the company. well, for the good of the country ri

three weeks ago john boehner wanted to cave on this. forced by his caucus not to give that up. what is he supposed to discuss in a negotiation with the president? the president is going to say i'm not doing something that delays or defunds obama care. boehner has to say i'm not authorized to another gate on that. >> ryan lizza, you have a very good point. >> i want to add thing. >> >> the point i would make to you, are we dealing with essentially two quite weak leaders here? >> yes, look, i think there's something to that. i don't want to suggest that there aren't major differences between obama and boehner and a major problem with their relationship. there are incredible differences between the two parties. all i'm saying here is, we should never shut the government down and one party, whether it's democrats or republicans shouldn't use the threat of a shutdown to get their way to get their policy. all you have to do is pass a continuing resolution and 800,000 employees won't be out of jobs tomorrow or at least temporarily. it's a proc

speaker boehner comes in and says, basically, it's sort of like this. someone goes into your house, takes your wife and children hostage. and then, says, let's negotiate over the price of your house. you know, we could do the same thing on immigration. we believe strongly in immigration reform. we could say we're shutting down the government, we're not going to raise the debt ceiling, until you pass immigration reform. >> i know you believe, senator, that the speaker is going to blink, that the house republicans are going to blink. >> i do. >> if they do not, what happens on october 17th? is it preferable to have the default than the negotiations? >> the negotiation you have is one with a gun held to your head. it will lead to a future negotiation like that and a future one. if you go for this hostage-taking once, and the president did in 2011, it doesn't go away. it comes back worse and worse and worse. and the whole full faith and credit in the united states currency and the united states dollar, goes down the drain. it's the damage that's far greater