a keen interest in this thing in a cayman, my whole not worth in one of the larger shareholders of bofa good, i thought had a reasonably good position to speak out about the company which i was quite like amounts for the first year or so when i started to worry little bit. >> in many ways you had very good timing with buying your company back and not only doing that but very quickly you took the company public. >> i have to, i had too much barred money. and i wanted to deleverage and thank goodness i did, we call that the tsunami year, 87, it was rough and ready at the time. >> he brought the company, took the public and then the crash happened within weeks. >> are stock -- we went public 14 or $15 a share in within a month it was at six. that was not a very favorable thing in many of our clients had bought the stock and thought it was going to be a great thing and fortunately those who bought it are probably a thousand times in value. anyway it worked out okay if they hang on. >> the stocks might have gone to six anyway and the value would have gone down anyway but you would've had a w