and also bohemia becomes more popular at the time. "life" magazine does a great job of bringing people from the fringes into middle class homes across the country, and so people are able to pick up their "life "magazine and look at pictures of beatniks and beat writers like alan ginsburg and look at avant-garde writers and folks they probably wouldn't have known that much about. most middle class white americans wouldn't have known that much about, so those folks as well. >> host: william f. buckley as the ultimate outsider? [laughter] >> guest: well, buckley is a really interesting figure because he goes to yale in the late '40s he's at yale, and he would not have been an outsider most places in america, but he really feels very much that he is at yale because he believes that the liberal, liberalism of professors really dominates not just the campus, but the academic offerings, that there is a kind of intellectual orthodoxy at yale constructed by these liberal professors and that you really don't have much room to stray outside that