and this is working class kind of boilerplate long island. there's a long pause and he goes, are you out of your mind? and shuts down my whole program. he's like, if we're going to give baldwin -- you're off the case now. we'll get someone else to take care of this. but i loved washington worked at the fcc and worked at a law firm and worked all this other stuff. i was given the opportunity to audition for and i got into the acting program. and to be honest with you, i started working right away and never looked back. that's what i wound up doing. >> is it true when you turned 40, you stopped wearing jeans? and if this was held after 6:00, would you have worn a tuxedo? >> i might have. i don't see anything wrong with that. someone asked me earlier, have you become more like your character? and i'm like, yeah, well, when you do a show -- that is one thing. when you do wear -- you're in washington, this is a suit and tie crowd and i'm in new york and that's pretty much a suit and tie crowd. i used to spend a lot more time in l.a. which is not a