>> no, i did not do that. >> bologna sandwiches are not part of the jail's normal meal plan. they're usually given to inmates who require an additional meal for medication. due to his hiv status, he was one of those but he gave his sandwiches away. >> sandwiches are popular because a lot of inmates of indigent and he was giving them out for free, i guess. if you can get anything in jail free, sandwiches or anything like that, you're going to take them. so they're going to be extremely popular. >> morning snack for you. there you go. >> there's so much, almost, hatred for him right now in him. i think i had 16 people eat sandwiches from him. >> ruben florez received several sandwiches from him in recent weeks. he ate some and traded the rest with inmates. >> i don't have nobody here. i had somebody offer me a bag of cookies or offered me soup, i'm going to grab it. i don't think nothing that somebody got a sick mind and going to try to infect me with some kind of disease. >> robert bailey also ate some of merithew's sandwiches. >> we're not talking about somebody getting a col

. >> and inspectors provide inmates with life and death answers about the allegedly tainted bologna sandwiches >>> behind the walls of grand rapids kent county jail, tensions inside housing unit d-3a have been running high since hiv-positive inmate jeremy merithew implied that he contaminated several sandwiches with body fluids and gave them away to other inmates. officers have just been called to another emergency one floor below. the fight has broken out between two inmates. the officer on duty calls for backup. employs pepper spray in an attempt to break it up. but the fight continues. seconds later, backup arrives and the two men are separated. deputies then secure the unit, ordering all inmates back to their cells. >> told you -- >> the inmates involved are byron tolbert and wilfredo vasquez. >> get back over there. >> with their eyes still stinging from the pepper spray, the inmates are taken to the segregation unit. they're placed in separate cells and allowed to wash their eyes out. >> you need water? >> yes. >> right there. >> man, it stings. it burns. oh, man. it feels like my face i

he's up there like bologna sandwich. bagel cream cheese. >> he didn't harm anybody. >> what if he did? >> what if you did? >> i can't. i'm not allowed in south africa. >> what does that mean? what if he did? he didn't. he supplied a happy aversion. >> i operate under the assumption, what if they do? that's why i support the nsa. you don't need facts. you just need hypothetical. my favorite movie was minority report. >>> coming up, the c block. a very short duration of high voltage between the cloud and the ground. thanks lightning. >> my pleasure. >>> later in the show mike huckabee makes major announcement only on "red eye." ncht they want to rub out the rebels. the houston school board has given preliminary approval to banning offensive mascot names. one said the redskins is racial discrimination against his people adding i'm a human being. i'm not a mascot. opponents say it should be seen as a homage. i like it when i figure out things on my own. the name rebels was included in the no-no list because it's seen as a re

. >> speaking of bologna sandwiches. >> the reason they're home is because of obama care, you know that, right? >> he's not going to get their dollars and cents. the hole framework is not going to stand up, bob. >> can i just say, yesterday, the president said, bring your ideas down. say, yes, sir, brothers and sisters. come to the table. eric, kimberly, give us your ideas. >> portability. cross state lines. tax reform, tort reform. >> and repeal the corporate welfare of the bill. >> make it attractive. >> savings accounts. tax-free dollars that you have. if you want to go to a chiropractor, your money can pay for that rather than government's. >> you're right. free market idea is incredibly simple. it works in every other industry. it's overcomplicated by thousands of pages of bureaucratic nonsense. >> rather than try to say what is your other idea, we had another idea. it could have been helped and fixed. free market health care. >> which was? >> what we were doing before. there needed to be some tweaks to it. >> look at bob. >> like remove the ban from -- if you're an insurance compa

he does not give them any meal beyond a bologna sandwich for lunch, and he is considered to be a veryacter for so doing. how do we get to the point that it has become an entertainment planned from many? >> well, justice stops at the prison door. that is the irony. that is where it is supposed to start. we measure the seriousness of the punishment by the length. how many years in prison, but not what the experience is like. the essence of punishment is the daily experience of it. will we have our facilities that do not discriminate on the basis of the nature of the crime committed, but only upon how well you behave once you're there. lou: that put you in a context, the author of this book. do you believe in capital punishment? >> i do, but only for the worst of the worst of the worst. lou: what does that mean? based upon the number of people killed, how they were killed, the manner in which there were killed? >> it can be. aristotle first observed that evil is extremes. but fundamentally make someone the worst of the worst of the worst is the attitude with which he kills, and at one ex

he does not give them any meal beyond a bologna sandwich for lunch, and he is considered to be a very well, just to stop such a prison door. that is the irony. that is where it is supposed to start. th is where it stops. a measure this series of the punishment by the length. that is what we are so used to. many years, butot what the experience is like day today. the essence of punishment is the daily experience of it. so what we have our facilities that do not discriminate on the basis of the nature of the crime he committed to go there, but on indiscriminate and how will you be able to why tre. lou: was put you in context for our audience is the author of this book. do you believe in capital punishment? >> i do, but only for the worst of the worst of theorst. lou: what is the worst of the worst of the worst? the number of people killed, how they killed people? is it the manner in which they kill people? >> it can be. aristotle first deserved that evil is found in the extremes. but fundamentally what makes somebody the worst of the worst of the worst is the attitude with which he kill

. >> usually a bologna sandwich, an orange, donated cookies. get a hot meal. >> a lot of these guys won't talk up but i'm going tell you what i think. the food here is garbage, bro. >> you don't eat it? >> no. >> how come? >> the only reason i eat is the fruit. the only reason i take the tray is so that i can talk to everybody in the run. because when they give you your food, the trap stays opened until they pick it up. i don't eat it, though. >> we throw more of it away than we eat, honestly. the food that we get -- >> well, once you serve it you can't use it for anything else. do you have food in wyoming? >> we do. and we recognize it. no, but seriously. >> i've got more people in jail than you have in your whole state. >> you've got that right. >> the two meals for every one of its 8,000 inmates, the maricopa county jail churns out 16,000 meals per day. they're all prepared at the facility's food factory, where the vast majority of the workers are inmates. >> we have close to 100 inmates working each day. they work eight-hour days. they work

sandwiches, hard boiled egg, most of the time it is bologna, or ham. extra bread today. and of course, plenty of mayo. so then you eat the carrots and have this as a bowl and make an egg salad sandwich. smie sm d some days you can mix up some pudding and get a milk shake. >> though he learned how to adjust to life in jail he claims to be less knowledgeable of the press reports surrounding his alleged crime. >> the honest truth of what they are saying i'm not sure. since i've been here i haven't been able to read the paper. one time i saw my picture on television. it was a mug shot that they got from the police department. they put together some old youtube videos of me, i was in theater. they were just flashing that all over the news. >> authorities allowed us to show him some of the published news reports. >> oh, great, that mug. oh, my god. [ reading indistinctly ] . >> that makes me look like satan himself. that i orchestrated and planned all this. i'm sorry, i can't -- >> why did this happen to your friend? >> i can't get into that. i can't get into that. i can't -- i