bolton, former ambassador to the u.n. and fox news contributor. good morning, ambassador bolton. you know, i guess you can't blame his brother for saying that, the family would like this to be over, they have their family member back home, and you know, it's understandable that that's their perspective, but a lot of people believe that since qaddafi's regime has fallen that maybe we get another crack at al megrahi and getting him back where he belongs. >> well, technically he's still a scottish prisoner. he's basically out on parole, compassionate release, they call it, but you know, the terms of the deal under which he was tried under scottish law ten years ago really were violated by qaddafi through and through. he didn't cooperate with the investigation. so i think it's perfectly legitimate to look at another trial of megrahi if we can do it before he dies. i personally think this time the united states insist he be extradited to the united states. i think it was a mistake to agree to try him over scott ish law. okay, that's water over the dam but let's get him back and see what we can do this time. martha: i'm reading a statement that was just released by an assistant to the first minister in scotland and basically they're saying this is a closed decision, they're saying speculation about al megrahi in recent days has been unhelpful, unnecessary and indeed ill informed, as has always been said he is dying after terminal disease and decisions about his medical condition should be stopped there, they say they want to stop the running commentary on this issue so scotland says this is not up for renegotiation. who in scott -- -- besides scotland would we deal with if we want to force this issue and get him to -- him back to where he wants to be >> speaking to someone whose heritage is scottish, i have to say that that's the most ridiculous thing, the way scotland has conducted this is ridiculous, they don't have the unilateral authority to make this decision. it was a joint agreement with britain, scotland and the united states and they released megrahi two years ago on the theory he was going to die in three months without adequately consulting us, i think they did it at the behest of the british got, for british oil interests, but in any event, i think that now it is proper, it is appropriate, for the united states to insist to the new government, the transitional national council in libya, that megrahi be hand over to us, and i think we should have no hesitation in doing that. martha: but ambassador, the hn -- tnc said yesterday they see no reason to turn him over, that they will not turn over a libyan citizen to the west, so this doesn't say much for the tnc's relationship with the rest of the world in terms of how it might have changed with regard to this issue to be sure. >> right. well so much for gratitude. i understand this morning the transitional government has issued a retraction to that, understandably. they are still a little confused. so i think we ought to give them a chance to make a decision to hand megrahi over. i think this is entirely consistent with justice. he killed 270 innocent people in cold blood, he served an average of two weeks per murder in that scottish jail, just over ten years, before he was released, two weeks of murder is not an -- a murder is not an adequate sentence. i think we deserve another shoal him martha: a lot people, the families of those killed say the health -- sorry to say it, but his health is really irrelevant in this case. if he dies in prison, so be it. a lot of people die in prison. >> yeah, look, compassion is entirely misplaced here. think of those 259 passengers and crew on pan am103, paulg through the cold dark sky from 30,000 feet, then ask me why this man deserves compassion. martha: yeah, well, suddenly they've decided once again that he's knocking at death's door and eventually, if he has this terminal disease, which according to all these reports, he does, he will pass away, but the timing of it seems irrelevant to me in many regards given what this man is accused of. ambassador bolton, we thank you for being here and we hope that the united states government finds some wherewithal to change the situation before it's too late. thank you sir. >> absolutely, thank you. bill: 21 minutes before the hour. >>> r*eurbg perry, throwing verbal bombs in the race for 2012, he says that social security is a, quote, monstrous lie. in a moment, we'll debate -- debate what he means by that, whether or not he's got a point. martha: officials in vermont say this is the borest -- worst flooding in their state in 100 years and it could get worse, today's new threat, putting people there on high alert. we'll be right back. martha: brand new pictures just coming in as we continue to get a sense this morning, now that the sun is shining over a lot of water. this is flooding in greenfield, massachusetts, this is the northern corner of massachusetts, just near the vermont border, where folks there are just inundated with water, as they get up to take a look around this morning. it is a ver