> we have to keep in mained to we rely on the kindness of strangers to buy our treasury notes and bonlds. and up to now japan has been the largest buyer behind china of treas reaps owning nearly a trillion dollars of our securities. should expenses build up, and japan needs to rebuild, they're likely going to not only sell the current treasury holdings, but potentially prevent them from buying more. >> tom: so that may lead to higher consumer interest rates in the u.s. while we're dealing with 3.50 gas or higher. what's the price that it begins to impact consumers? >> i think we're at it, tom. 3.50 is probably the magic number. we look at the percentage of retail sales actually fueled by gas purchases, so to speak, and when it gets to be above 10%, it tends to crowd out other spending. in other words, forcing consumers to make tough choices whether to drive less or perhaps cut some of their other discretionary spending like going out to dinner or buying apparel. >> tom: we've seen energy stocks rally, and despite the rally, you still like energy. what parliament of it, though? >> i -- wh