first to speak is ambassador bonnie jenkins. ladies and gentlemen, ambassador bonnie jenkins. [applause] bonnie: good evening. when i was first told i would have an opportunity to be a part of this debate and my motion would be that you can denuclearize i said of course, why not. but then i said let me step act and say why i have that perception. let me step back. i spent my life sitting at the table with others negotiating treaties, working with delegations, drafting treaty text. and drafting what might seem impossible, possible. seeing where we can find common interests to find a way or agreement. i have been in the world of the possible. i have also done some research on this. my topic for my dissertation was why do countries decide that they want to develop or not develop nuclear weapons. and what plays a role in the decision-making? that theesearch important part of this is the leader and what the leader wants to do. when a leader decides their country is ready to give up a nuclear weapon, then you consider the table and talk. we have examples of countries giving up nucle

bonnie jenkins. ladies and gentlemen, bonnie jenkins. john: bonnie, you are a non-resident fellow.you were at the state department under the obama administration. you are an ambassador. you are working on chemical, biological, nuclear threats on a daily basis. you got into the field of arms control by accident. how does one get into that by accident? bonnie: i got into it by accident mainly because i was a fellow at the department of defense at the legal office, and i went with my colleagues, who were meeting, and i had no idea what they were going to talk about, they had no ideas about these issues. i thought this is really cool. i want to do this. i have been doing it ever since. john: thank you, bonnie, and the team arguing for the motion to denuclearize north korea. we have a team arguing against it. please welcome sue mi terry. you are widely recognized as one of the experts on north korea. you have worked for the nfc, the nic, and the cia. you were one of the top korea analysts during the bush administration. when you when you were recruited to work for the cia, they told you

first to speak, ambassador bonnie jenkins. , ladies and gentlemen, ambassador, bonnie jenkins.plause] >> good evening. when i was first told i had the opportunity to be this debate, and my motion would be the negotiations can work i said of course, why not. then i said let me tell you why have that perception. i spent my life working in the area of nuclear nonproliferation arms control. spotlighmy life sitting at the e negotiating treaties, working with the delegation, drafting treaty text and making what might seem impossible, possible. finding out ways to find common interest to find a way and a process for agreement. i have been in the world of possibles. i've done research on it. my topics for my dissertation was couple why recruiters decide why or why not they want to develop nuclear weapons. how their actions play a role in the decision-making. i found out that a very important part of this is the leader in what the leader wants to do. when a leader decides to give up that program we have examples of countries giving up nuclear weapons. we have argentina and brazil. we ha

. >> bonnie jenkins? bonnie: i would add to what suzanne said. there is the situation and what we do with iran. i think it will be something that is a game. also, our recent review, which we committed to building more nuclear weapons. however, i will say, despite all of that, he still wants to talk. has notying things he said before. so in light of all of that, he wants to have a conversation, and we we can do this through negotiations. >> the other side. sue mi: i agree with everything suzanne said. north korea has been thinking about this for a very long time. they completed their program. they think trump and the administration. they will offer something that will look good that will come back to haunt us later, and this is the scenario we are warning against. >> at the end of the day cannot be verified, it is no deal. that is the hard facts of it. >> the last word. >> i would agree that north korea's greatest strength is its negotiating position it has been playing for the last year, the completed nuclear altar -- arsenal, and it has south ko