and i auditioned and auditioned and auditioned and tried to get on, and the bookers told me not onlyd never be on. and one night joan saw me when she was filling in for johnny and she would come out and work out her set on the comedy store and i had gone on prior to her and she came on that night, i don't know if she remembers this, and she said, have you ever been on "the tonight show," and i said, i would love to, it's my birthday this week, and she brought me on. and my life changed from that night on. my exposure i don't think exists like that -- except this show -- exists like that today, where you have a life-changing appearance. and that was a life-changing appearance. >> larry: howie, in the realm of comedy, as comics talk about comics, where do you rank joan rivers? >> be careful. >> well, from one to orange -- >> larry: no, i mean -- >> you know, i don't want to say this, but i think she's so young in spirit, but she's a legend. in the forefront of comedy, she's opened doors for females in comedy. she's opened doors for people like me, who didn't have the opportunity that i